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[TeeDee]

Mary, the eggs said each large egg was 78kcal on average, and the bread said, it was 103kcal per slice? [on the packaging]

Didnt count the honey or tomato powder though. Useful to know its 20 per ts full.

With reference to intake , remember 1000kcal effect on the body is different depending on its ratio of F/P/C.
That is too say 1000kcal of primary Carbs is going to have a very different effect to 1000kcal of Fats+Protein.

 

[Dave]

With reference to intake , remember 1000kcal effect on the body is different depending on its ratio of F/P/C.
That is too say 1000kcal of primary Carbs is going to have a very different effect to 1000kcal of Fats+Protein.

Does fpc stand for fats, protein carbohydrate? Whats the mix I should be looking to achieve then?

 

[TeeDee]

I'm 184cm and have been over 100kg since my late teens. Back then I did some Karate and my conscript year in the army saw me fitter than ever. Before or since. Not once during this time have I been "healthy" according to BMI figures.

I have to recommend anyone who is concerned about weight to try out LCHF though. Doesn't wirk for everyone, especially women, but for me it's been brilliant.

After having endured suburban life with toddlers for a few years, I was pushing 130kg and not feeling too clever. Didn't accomplish anything at work, trouble sleeping sometimes, bad knee, mood swings..

1 1/2 yrs later I'm down to 105kg. I feel much more smooth tempered, and stamina is comparatively through the roof. This is while still eating hearty meals that fills properly. An no excercise yet. Just lay of the carbs and up the fat.

I'd second this as well Dave , try and lose ALL sugar and simple Carbs from your diet ( fruit included ).
LCHF Works because its the most logical at a hormonal level. Do your own research however to understand it.

 

[pysen78]

What happens to the people who refuse to conscript in Sweden out of interest?

The system is abolished since a few years, but the penalty for refusing was maybe a month in jail.

I actually knew a guy who had to do time but that was rare. There were many ways to get of the hook. Citing religous reasons usually worked, and a whole array of other excuses.

Back during the proper cold war era, things were harder, I believe.

 

[Dave]

Right Ill look into that then TD.

Eh!?

Eat all you like?!

That cant be right. I can just eat as much meat and veg as I like?

http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf#advice

 

[Dave]

The system is abolished since a few years, but the penalty for refusing was maybe a month in jail.

I actually knew a guy who had to do time but that was rare. There were many ways to get of the hook. Citing religous reasons usually worked, and a whole array of other excuses.

Back during the proper cold war era, things were harder, I believe.

I know a lot would disagree, but I think something like that in this country at the moment would be a good idea.

 

[TeeDee]

Hi , its not so much a mix or ratio.

What I meant is that we tend to thinK if you eat a 2000kcal diet regardless of the ratio the end result is the same. Its NOT.

If I had you eat a diet of 2000 kcal and the ratios were:-

A) 1500KCAL From Carbs / 500 from P+F = 2000KCAL TOTAL

B) 1500KCAL From Protein / 500 From F+C 2000KCAL TOTAL

C) 1500KCAL From Fat / 500 From C+F 2000KCAL TOTAL

Then end result would NOT be the same. The 1st diet would create insulin response which is the hormonal trigger to store fat.

The Thermic effect of Protein is also important.

The short version in my mind is unless you are an athlete - avoid most carbs as much as you can , I'm not just talking sugar and honey but bread,pasta,oats,rice. Not FOREVER but to kick in the correct metabolic functions.

If you PM me your addy I'll post a book and a few links for you to read.

 

[TeeDee]

Right Ill look into that then TD.

Eh!?

Eat all you like?!

That cant be right. I can just eat as much meat and veg as I like?

http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf#advice

You may be surprised.

 

[Dave]

Ok Cheers.

 

[Stew]

Well, Ive got a little route planned. 3 miles, up and down, quite steep, moorland and a wood. Dog approves! Im gonna follow that everyday, and keep a notebook on the breakfast bar, of calories Im consuming. I've NEVER done a diet before. So see how it goes.
So far today, 3 poached eggs in 4 pieces of seeded toast, with tomato powder on top, only 646 calories.
Im gonna try and have less than two thousand calories per day. Just drink loads of water, eat more fruit, and have green tea with honey and lemon. [Instead of my usual endless cuppas, with milk and 3 sugars]

I would recommend using the MyFitnessPal app for food logging. I don't use it all the time but it's good for a check in and makes it easy to work out what amount of nutrients you've consumed.

 

[Dave]

Im really gonna give that LCHF thing a go. Iv actually just cleared out my cupboard. Sounds great anyway. Ive shoved a full chicken in the oven. Im going the full caveman.
Apparently it also helps with fatigue. Although I dont fully understand that, as it says you cant have sugar. And with low blood sugar, you feel more fatigued?

 

[rik_uk3]

With the LCHF diet do you get the foul smelling breath you often do with the Atkins diet?

 

[Dave]

I'll let you know.

 

[Toddy]

Sorry about the eggs Dave you are quite right. I simply googled poached eggs, and took the first number they said.

Best of luck with the diet/health

M

 

[Dave]

Cheers Toddy.

 

[santaman2000]

BMI is a poor guide but only if you carry a lot of muscle. Many males overestimate greatly the amount of muscle they actually carry. You can be a big bulky lad and look imposing, but really your still a fat knacker with man boobs. I'm not going to get into it but I see it a lot with other hobbies I have where you come up against guys who suck the gut in and shove the chest out trying to look the part but really they are just 16/17 stone of flab fronting for an attitude.

If your in the gym three or four times a week weight training then yeah, BMI is pointless. If your not, then it isn't pointless at all.

Bowlander - massive well done to you. Many guys would have put their head in the sand, pretended they were big boned (no such thing, all bone structure is the same size on an x ray) and gave it a damn good ignoring until the Type 2 diabetes hit them and forced the to do the naked look in the mirror.

I think we actually agree here but we're just saying it in different ways. Although in fairness I have to point out that people with little muscle mass will also score well on BMI indexes (muscle mass being heavier than fat)

 

[TeeDee]

Im really gonna give that LCHF thing a go. Iv actually just cleared out my cupboard. Sounds great anyway. Ive shoved a full chicken in the oven. Im going the full caveman.
Apparently it also helps with fatigue. Although I dont fully understand that, as it says you cant have sugar. And with low blood sugar, you feel more fatigued?

So if you think of simple sugars as kindling , and big lumps of protein and fat as logs , the metabolism is the fire.
Simple sugar push the blood sugar up quickly and then tends to dip down just as quick.

You would not build a fire you want to keep in for the day by just feeding it kindling and only kindling , you would start with kindling and then add larger logs as it can handle it and keep it topped up with big logs.

Simple sugars and carbs are burned quickly which can give us the habit of chasing the sugar rush ups-and-downs during the course of the day.
Fats and Proteins are burned far more slowly and stable releasing their energy at a constant rate ( as opposed to a sharp spike )

Here look at the G.I ( Glycemic Index ) which is basically a way to see which foods give off their energy the quickest.
The higher the GI index figure is ( ie closest to 100 ) the quicker the spike , we should try to avoid these ( or limit ) these foods ( or at least understand when to best use them )

http://www.health.harvard.edu/healthy-eating/glycemic_index_and_glycemic_load_for_100_foods

The lower the number the less quick it is broken down and released into the blood stream thus providing a constant feed of energy ( which reduces cravings ) , this is also why Fiber is important to the diet.

So as an experiment try thinking of HOW a food stuff/type makes you feel a few hours AFTER consuming it.

Also think HOW you feel when you are actually eating the food stuff.

Breakfast A ) Toast & Marmalade ,Orange Juice , croissant.

Breakfast B ) Mushroom & Egg/Broccoli Omelet with Cheese with Coffee.


## Carbs are not an essential body nutrient for any part of existence ##

 

[TeeDee]

Also worth a read and some personal experimentation.

intermittent-fasting

http://jamesclear.com/the-beginners-guide-to-intermittent-fasting

 

[BillyBlade]

Interesting the point made above about the Caveman diet. It's bobbins, the cave man diet wasn't about eating meat only and eating 'clean' it was about eating any darned thing you could get your hands on.

I'm in a part of the world right now where there are people living like cave men due to the poverty. When your home is a plastic lined 6x6 on the pavement your living pretty much in a cave. These people are rail thin and eat ANYTHING they can get there hands on. My colleague and and I watched a kid club a massive rat on the head last night and run off with it. I'm assuming to eat it.

Still, 'paleo' this and 'cave man' that sells books I suppose. Eat less move more really doesn't.

Good luck to anyone making the effort to lose weight. It's not easy and cruelly keeping it off makes losing it look easy. Just remember this: being fat is hard. Losing weight is hard. Just choose your hard and do it.

 

[Goatboy]

Dave on the egg front be careful about eating too many. I love them but found when I was a serious gym bunny that the yolk contained a lot of cholesterol. If memory serves me right it was about 4mg per yolk which if you're under a heart doctor may skew blood tests in the wrong direction.
I was eating egg white omeletts to keep the figure down. My levels are really good these days and I have gone back to eating whole eggs but try to eat no more than a couple a week. Still poached is better than fried. Bummer though as I like a boiled egg or quiche.
One way to make the eggy taste go farther is a baked omelette. Bulk it up with plenty veg and it fills you without using too many eggs.

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