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I would say for sure that redundancy in his fifties killed my dad. Yes he died from natural causes if that is what you can call a heart attack, but I have no doubt it was the way his life fell apart after losing his job, never having been out of work for long, that added to stress and led him to drink even more than he did before. My brother was retired through ill health at the same age, but I think his story will be different, he is single to start with so no marriage to break up, and he seems to have no end of things to fill his time. Just so long as he does not go anywhere near the DWP he will be fine, though heaven knows what he is living on.
Me? well suicidal thoughts are ok so long as you do not act on them. All hell broke lose recently when I accidentally told the truth to the mental health crisis team, you see they go into a right panic if you mention the S word, all I wanted was a little help dealing with my psychotic neighbour, that is my world, right bonkers it is, and I think I am entitled to say that without offending anybody because I have a long history of depression going back to the 1980s.
Terrible to watch people come unravelled. But it never fails to amaze me how much work has been replaced by robotics.
95% of people are aware of only 5% of jobs. Lost it? Get some aptitude testing done. Lots of it. Talk it out.
There 's every chance that some new and strange work is just what you can do.
I've worked with a few people who really did have to reinvent themselves to keep a job.
The retraining was hard to watch but they brought it off.
I get discouraged but I don't think I ever get depressed, really.
Right now, I'm happy to watch my grapes getting ready for harvest in the next 10 days.
There are always far too many grouse and geese and turkeys which need to be shot and eaten.
95% of people are aware of only 5% of jobs. Lost it? Get some aptitude testing done. Lots of it. Talk it out.
There 's every chance that some new and strange work is just what you can do.
I've worked with a few people who really did have to reinvent themselves to keep a job.
The retraining was hard to watch but they brought it off.
I get discouraged but I don't think I ever get depressed, really.
Right now, I'm happy to watch my grapes getting ready for harvest in the next 10 days.
There are always far too many grouse and geese and turkeys which need to be shot and eaten.
We are truly going Off Topic, but what the heck......
My view on suicide is maybe different from most Western Culture people. I do not see it as a sin, or something to be ashamed off. I have a more Eastern view.
Mental problems are (still) a huge stigma. So wrong. Everybody is OK talking about their Erectile problems, but nobody wants to talka bout their mind.
I have mental problems on my fathers side. A couple of suicides in the past. I believe that was why my dad became a Psychiatrist then 'just for fun' he took a psychology degree when he retired.
I strongly believe our Mind can cause problems with our Body. Psychosomatic problems are now a large research subject.
My army buddy, that broke down and had to quit, almost did a S. Only our winter survival training saved him.
I took him in and me and my wife helped him rebuild his mental health.
His breaking straw was that a long term ( 10 years +) GF left him.
My view on suicide is maybe different from most Western Culture people. I do not see it as a sin, or something to be ashamed off. I have a more Eastern view.
Mental problems are (still) a huge stigma. So wrong. Everybody is OK talking about their Erectile problems, but nobody wants to talka bout their mind.
I have mental problems on my fathers side. A couple of suicides in the past. I believe that was why my dad became a Psychiatrist then 'just for fun' he took a psychology degree when he retired.
I strongly believe our Mind can cause problems with our Body. Psychosomatic problems are now a large research subject.
My army buddy, that broke down and had to quit, almost did a S. Only our winter survival training saved him.
I took him in and me and my wife helped him rebuild his mental health.
His breaking straw was that a long term ( 10 years +) GF left him.
You are welcome to ignore this reference and my logic.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/troll
saying "don't feed trolls" is simply an extension of people having misinterpreted the original meaning of the word. Consider what the person "trolling" an Internet forum does, they cruise around dropping provocative or enticing comments in order to bait a rise out of someone. One would do better to say that one should not rise to the bait, that the person is obviously trolling for reactions.
none of the descriptions of trolls relating to ugly cave dwellers bears much relation to what people do on the Internet, posting rubbish to annoy and provoke others.
the problem with urban dictionary definitions is that they describe how words are (miss)used today, they have no interest in whether, why or how those words have been twisted over time. They are good for decoding what is meant today, but that's about it.
if it is it is quite strange, as it is an established way to promote fruitful discussion. The Vatican does it quite a lot in determining if a person is worthy of being upgraded in the Christian version of the Samsara.
Topic drift whatever but I have no clue what "Samsara" is but I do know this, that the term "Devils Advocate" does come from the Vatican, that whenever a Saint was promoted according to the rules about miracles and what have you, there was a priest appointed to put the counter argument from the Devil's point of view as it were, hence the term arose.
Samsara is the Hindu 'wheel of life'. Where your actions determine what happens next.
Not entirely similar of course as the Hindu religion is more refined over the millenia, but the Christian idea is kind of similar. Really bad boy - goes to Hell. Bad boy - Purgatory. Good boy - heaven.
Not sure what happens to those Hell dwelling souls at the day of Resurrection though. I missed that lesson at Confirmation teaching I think.
The whole idea is to make people behave decently towards each other.
Not entirely similar of course as the Hindu religion is more refined over the millenia, but the Christian idea is kind of similar. Really bad boy - goes to Hell. Bad boy - Purgatory. Good boy - heaven.
Not sure what happens to those Hell dwelling souls at the day of Resurrection though. I missed that lesson at Confirmation teaching I think.
The whole idea is to make people behave decently towards each other.
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I reckon that taking a position which may or may not be your own, but which you are espousing because you want to generate a reaction, response or debate fits the definition of trolling. Especially if the position was chosen more for reaction than because it fits your belief.
You can claim you are doing it for the common good, to encourage healthy debate, but a person's motives are rarely so clear for others to see and there may be little to differentiate your posts in the eyes of others from those of a muck raking waste oriffice just looking to make trouble.
If if everyone is in on the game, and knows that you are playing devils advocate, that it is just a debate, then fair enough. However, when the other people don't know you are playing games and are themselves defending positions which they may care deeply about, there is a very strong probability that you are going to really wind folk up and come away having made enemies. Speaking here from personal experience with someone I used to work with. I doubt he meant to make me an enemy for life, but he did. The danger of playing devils advocate when other people don't know it's a game.
You can claim you are doing it for the common good, to encourage healthy debate, but a person's motives are rarely so clear for others to see and there may be little to differentiate your posts in the eyes of others from those of a muck raking waste oriffice just looking to make trouble.
If if everyone is in on the game, and knows that you are playing devils advocate, that it is just a debate, then fair enough. However, when the other people don't know you are playing games and are themselves defending positions which they may care deeply about, there is a very strong probability that you are going to really wind folk up and come away having made enemies. Speaking here from personal experience with someone I used to work with. I doubt he meant to make me an enemy for life, but he did. The danger of playing devils advocate when other people don't know it's a game.
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You are welcome to ignore this reference and my logic.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/troll
saying "don't feed trolls" is simply an extension of people having misinterpreted the original meaning of the word. Consider what the person "trolling" an Internet forum does, they cruise around dropping provocative or enticing comments in order to bait a rise out of someone. One would do better to say that one should not rise to the bait, that the person is obviously trolling for reactions.
none of the descriptions of trolls relating to ugly cave dwellers bears much relation to what people do on the Internet, posting rubbish to annoy and provoke others.
the problem with urban dictionary definitions is that they describe how words are (miss)used today, they have no interest in whether, why or how those words have been twisted over time. They are good for decoding what is meant today, but that's about it.
Dont mind me, i was just trolling
To be sure, there are suicides in various professions. Suicide in and of itself doesn't make a person "weak." My reference to a succeedingly weaker generations was about their looking for something to blame their troubles on rather than accepting personal responsibility.
Very Swedish to do that.
Research has indicated that since the compulsory service was virtually abolished a couple of decades ago, the young men have increased problems in work, homelife and generally in society.
Research has indicated that since the compulsory service was virtually abolished a couple of decades ago, the young men have increased problems in work, homelife and generally in society.
Here is one for you guys.
[video=youtube;QxF0K_3lGOA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxF0K_3lGOA[/video]
If a dog was badly behaved, I don't think you guys would blame the dog. I think you would blame the person who looked after it for not training it, for not disciplining it, for not socialising it and teaching it was was acceptable.
Each generation is the product of that which went before. If the youngsters today are any less capable than previous generations, it is the fault of those earlier generations, the society they built and the lessons they imparted. Changes in society have accelerated over the last 120 years and the opportunities, resources and skills that were available and supported my generation are not available for the youngsters today, not even a full generation later. There are other opportunities, certainly, but it is much harder to look back, at say what your parents did, and know that you can use that as a model for your life now.
While I agree that not taking responsibility and just pointing blame around is weak, that does not mean that at least part of that blame isn't justified.
[video=youtube;QxF0K_3lGOA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxF0K_3lGOA[/video]
If a dog was badly behaved, I don't think you guys would blame the dog. I think you would blame the person who looked after it for not training it, for not disciplining it, for not socialising it and teaching it was was acceptable.
Each generation is the product of that which went before. If the youngsters today are any less capable than previous generations, it is the fault of those earlier generations, the society they built and the lessons they imparted. Changes in society have accelerated over the last 120 years and the opportunities, resources and skills that were available and supported my generation are not available for the youngsters today, not even a full generation later. There are other opportunities, certainly, but it is much harder to look back, at say what your parents did, and know that you can use that as a model for your life now.
While I agree that not taking responsibility and just pointing blame around is weak, that does not mean that at least part of that blame isn't justified.
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