Actually I read somewhere that contrary to popular belief the peak suicide rate is in middle age. Probably something on the BBC but hey if Alex Jones has not said it first, it can't be so.
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Actually I read somewhere that contrary to popular belief the peak suicide rate is in middle age. Probably something on the BBC but hey if Alex Jones has not said it first, it can't be so.
Suicides Europe/UK (?)
Highest: medical doctors
Dental doctors
Police officers
Veterinarian doctors
Highest: medical doctors
Dental doctors
Police officers
Veterinarian doctors
An acquaintance of mine did 20 years in UK armed forces.
He's a very calm, steady person. We've worked together on a few things.
He talked about struggling for quite a few years when he came out of the forces. His feeling was that while in the forces, you are directed, you are part of a structure.
Come out in to civilian life and suddenly there is no direction, you are rudderless. He really struggled with this.
Feeling rudderless, directionless is a very common reason for depression leading to despair and suicide in young people. If people come out of the forces and are left feeling like these, then of course they will struggle.
No. I got your point. I just disagree with it. However your last statement concerning baby boomers (my generation) is absolutely correct. We were, and are, much weaker than our parents' generation. The next two generations after us are succedingly weaker still.
There's a lot of truth in this (the military is a family and a way of life rather than a job) but it has nothing to do with mental illness.
I've also read that senior suicides are creeping up, but I haven't seen where anything has yet surpassed youth suicides.
No. Just stating truthfully my opinion. I won't apologize that they don't fit a European mold.
British mold.
I struggled too upon leaving the army. Missed the structured life, the unit pride.
Not cool stepping from an officer position to a being a student nobody trusts writing your name correctly on a piece of paper. Took me years to accept it.
Still miss it, 35 years later.
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To troll, also known as trolling = to trail bait or a lure behind a boat in the hope that something rises from the deep and bites it!
Someone who trolls is not "a troll". A troll is a creature from children's nursery rhymes that lives under bridges (or in caves) and is partial to a bit of goat.
Modern net idiom is wrong, created as it was by the marginally literate teenage technophile, most of whom were unlikely to crawl out of their computer caves long enough to look at a lake, much less take interest in catching fish from it.
. I would hope that here, at least, folk would know the difference.:yelrotflm
Now that I have got that bit of pedantry off my chest
....
What are you lot like?!?
I reckon that much of the discord in this thread could have been avoided if people had taken more care to post their opinions as opinions, and not imply that their opinions were fact. Over and over the subtext message that I see is "I am just stating my opinion, I am entitled to it, as you are to yours...its just that yours is wrong!".
Anyway. If you can't resist carrying on this slow motion train wreck of a thread
, please avoid personal sniping, and anything more about religion or politics. Some posts have been over the line already.
Regards.
Someone who trolls is not "a troll". A troll is a creature from children's nursery rhymes that lives under bridges (or in caves) and is partial to a bit of goat.
Modern net idiom is wrong, created as it was by the marginally literate teenage technophile, most of whom were unlikely to crawl out of their computer caves long enough to look at a lake, much less take interest in catching fish from it.
. I would hope that here, at least, folk would know the difference.:yelrotflmNow that I have got that bit of pedantry off my chest
....What are you lot like?!?
I reckon that much of the discord in this thread could have been avoided if people had taken more care to post their opinions as opinions, and not imply that their opinions were fact. Over and over the subtext message that I see is "I am just stating my opinion, I am entitled to it, as you are to yours...its just that yours is wrong!".
Anyway. If you can't resist carrying on this slow motion train wreck of a thread
, please avoid personal sniping, and anything more about religion or politics. Some posts have been over the line already. Regards.
I understand that farmers also have a relatively high instance of suicide.
The first four isn't totally unexpected. They are all potentially highly stressful occupations, where even the training is one of constant stress and the need to attain new skills, etc rapidly. There are social pressures from an often tiring and changing work schedule, and if your a doctor or a policeman, your going to see some pretty horrible stuff. Family life can be tough to maintain, in part because such jobs often end up being almost someones whole world - they end up 'married to the job'.
There is also the pressure of social rank - you have a position that needs to be lived up to, and any slippage, for whatever reason, can seen as a dreadful blow, and therefore possibly a trigger.
And there is one more thing - access to means. Doctors and dentists have access to drugs, and know how to use them. Same goes for vets, but they will also be required to put down animals, so they have extra stuff as well. Policeman might not have access to drugs/guns in the same way, but they know how people can die.
Farmers? A stressful activity, often relatively self-contained, where your running in effect a business, and one where one bad year or a lost contract might mean the end. There was a report some years ago which also pointed out something else - if your running a family farm, your not just running a business, its a family livelihood perhaps going back generations - you dont want to be the one that loses the farm. And unlike most jobs or businesses, its one that is more likely to get passed down through the family, train at agricultural college, etc. Most of us dont think 'I'm not cut out to be an accountant, like my dad, and his dad, I'm letting down the family', etc. For a farmer, that might be very different. And there is access to shotguns, nasty chemicals, etc.
Interesting posts about ex-forces people are how they cope. Again, there have been reports about how people cope in civvie street, and that loss of structure is often noted, and the social network that goes with it (ex-prisoners have the same problem, and find it difficult to cope). Loss of authority or status can be problematic, and alcohol can also be a problem - drink is often relatively cheap and available, and is socially acceptable (and has been since at least the time of Kipling). This has been regularly flagged http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...r-record-levels-of-alcohol-abuse-9350078.html , but you can find article from this year saying the same thing. And its not just the UK - the US military has similar problems https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/substance-abuse-in-military .
Alcohol is also a way to deal with stress, and its long been pointed out that the Army doesn't deal with the PTSD as well as it should, and that also has an impact after people leave the forces. Add possible problems of depression due to leaving a structured life, and thats a dangerous situation for many.
We need to get people to talk about their feelings more, be more open about mental health, better at dealing with it when its recognised, and offering people better support long term.
Farmers in UK had a hellish time after the Foot/mouth fiasco.
I know that many commited suicide in the years after that.
Yes, Doctors of all kinds have the means to a drug assisted suicide, but it is quite unusual they do. The normal ways ( hanging, shot,) are more common.
5: Financial services
6: Real estate agents
7: Electricians
8: Lawyers
9: Farmers
I know that many commited suicide in the years after that.
Yes, Doctors of all kinds have the means to a drug assisted suicide, but it is quite unusual they do. The normal ways ( hanging, shot,) are more common.
5: Financial services
6: Real estate agents
7: Electricians
8: Lawyers
9: Farmers
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I sense that many or most of you are still working. You will remember this thread when you retire.
For the very first time in your life, there is nobody rattling your cage or yanking on your chain.
More or less, you get to decide what to do with your time. No cheapshots using SWMBO, either.
I watched colleagues retire after I left. The job defined so many of them, they didn't know what to do next.
They had avoided outside interests, hobbies or sports, they were totally lost. Not at all self-propelled.
Hindsight still surprises me how many simply withered away, got sick, died or took their own lives.
Think it over. That lack or loss of structure is coming when you retire. Make a plan and never stick to it.
I had a list of things that I was going to do when I retired and not one of them has happened!
I'm busy doing totally different things that I had never thought of. And I sleep well for it.
For the very first time in your life, there is nobody rattling your cage or yanking on your chain.
More or less, you get to decide what to do with your time. No cheapshots using SWMBO, either.
I watched colleagues retire after I left. The job defined so many of them, they didn't know what to do next.
They had avoided outside interests, hobbies or sports, they were totally lost. Not at all self-propelled.
Hindsight still surprises me how many simply withered away, got sick, died or took their own lives.
Think it over. That lack or loss of structure is coming when you retire. Make a plan and never stick to it.
I had a list of things that I was going to do when I retired and not one of them has happened!
I'm busy doing totally different things that I had never thought of. And I sleep well for it.
I'm not sure where you found these statistics. This link would seem to suggest that in fact medical professionals have a low rate of suicide in the UK : https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...d2011to2015#suicide-by-occupation-among-males
I lost a friend to suicide this month. Ex-army, but I'm not sure how relevant that is. I don't think that they "couldn't cope" , I know that they had an illness; albeit a mental illness. If they had died of cancer, I wouldn't judge them for being weak. At the moment that they took that most terrible tragic action, their mind was impaired. They were not able to think rationally. They died of mental illness.
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From www.mentalhealthdaily.com. Top 11 professions with highest suicide rates.
I just did a random search.
My condoleances, may your friend get rest and peace.
I just did a random search.
My condoleances, may your friend get rest and peace.
Ah yes. Your article is based on figures from NIOSH, that is from the US. It actually states "Oddly enough, contrasting evidence has emerged in countries like Britain that indicates the opposite trend to be true: occupations requiring lower skill tend to carry increased rates of suicide."
Maybe you should move back!
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Maybe you should move back!
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It is strange how people behave differently in different countries.
In Sweden Dentists and other doctors are close to the top.
I guess maybe the way statistics are done is what makes the difference?
Also how they interpret the death.
Many single traffic accidents are suicides. Or ayttempts of one.
Yes, in Sweden (at least) doctors do use drugs.
I checked the official Swedish statistics.
Also in Sweden the recommendations in a mass casualty situation is similar to the Uk one. Get away or hide.
In Sweden Dentists and other doctors are close to the top.
I guess maybe the way statistics are done is what makes the difference?
Also how they interpret the death.
Many single traffic accidents are suicides. Or ayttempts of one.
Yes, in Sweden (at least) doctors do use drugs.
I checked the official Swedish statistics.
Also in Sweden the recommendations in a mass casualty situation is similar to the Uk one. Get away or hide.
To troll, also known as trolling = to trail bait or a lure behind a boat in the hope that something rises from the deep and bites it!
Someone who trolls is not "a troll". A troll is a creature from children's nursery rhymes that lives under bridges (or in caves) and is partial to a bit of goat.
Modern net idiom is wrong, created as it was by the marginally literate teenage technophile, most of whom were unlikely to crawl out of their computer caves long enough to look at a lake, much less take interest in catching fish from it.
Now that I have got that bit of pedantry off my chest
What are you lot like?!?
I reckon that much of the discord in this thread could have been avoided if people had taken more care to post their opinions as opinions, and not imply that their opinions were fact. Over and over the subtext message that I see is "I am just stating my opinion, I am entitled to it, as you are to yours...its just that yours is wrong!".
Thats wrong.The internet troll is the same as the old hill troll, or bridge troll. Quite often people say "Dont feed the troll", ie dont respond to an obvious wind up attempt.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll
The above report states this quite clearly.
The fishing reference is another way of looking at it, but clearly wrong, no doubts about it.
If you can provide proof otherwise, ill certainly pretend ive looked at it.
I find it upsetting where the English speaking people have taken a mythological Scandinavian creature and use it in a negative meaning.
You guys should invent a new word.
You guys should invent a new word.
Yeah, Janne, they did. No shortage of them.
Called a "Walt." Here, just somebody who is all hat and no cattle.
Called a "Walt." Here, just somebody who is all hat and no cattle.
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