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falling rain said:
And there was this in todays news http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/6552869.stm

I'm not even going to comment on this one because I'll earn myself a ban. I'd better leave it there, as far as understanding these people is concerned because there is no excuse whatsoever. And no one will convince me that there is.

Alright, the first one about the lambs was basically just the premature death of something that would be used as foodstuff anyway, its not nice, big or clever but thats it.Not condoning it but I won't lose any sleep over it either.

The example of someone setting fire to a still living dog is bloody awfull, cruelty for the sake of power.
I think that Dances with Wovles has mentioned something thats right though, many serial killers start out by torturing animals, that also have often grown up in some rather strange situations with regards to families.
 
Dances with Wolves said:
That's disgusting. I'll never understand anyone who can do that. I could go on a huge rant but I dont think I could say anything that hasn't already been said. There's not enough consequences for actions these days.

Wolves. :(

There just are not the polite words to express the emotional response to such behaviour. Evil truely is one of the few words thats comes close. It's like conscience does not exist for these kind of people. Emotional attachment has been severed probably at a young age.

The potential for debate is endless. between possible causes e.g. child abuse, mental trauma etc. to psychological and medical issues e.g. chemical imbalances, upbringing or lackthereof etc.

I have a hard time even thinking about shooting an animal with an air rifle for legitimate hunting reasons unless its a mercy killing; specifically a rabit with end stage miximatosis. So I can't even begin to comprehend someone thinking an act like the ones mentioned above is anything other than "That is sick and depraved, and unjust."

On the whole I quite agree with the comments made by gregorach, and i don't have much time for arrogance like that of falling rain. The cut and thrust of debate is what makes life interesting. If everyone agreed with everyone, nothing would progress past its basic stage of development because everything would be good enougyh as it is, no-one would challenge anything and say "that could be improved upon."

In contrast to this I do agree with bambodoggy because the deffinition of evil is a highly relative term.

If I was to briefly state my own beliefs. I do believe a sub standard upbringing is a primary factor. followed by abuse. And it is important to realise the difference between being disciplined and abused. I was "smacked" as a child, but there is a big difference between getting a smack around the bottom or legs and being beaten and bruised or beaten. Usually in my very limited experiance. The people who commit these disgusting acts usually have family and emotional and relationship problems, usually supported by lack of self confidence and a history of abuse.

Wolves.


Mr contradictionary................. Make your mind up Dances with wolves either they have reasons and need understanding or they don't.
You can call me arrogant if you wish. I'm just not one of these mamby pamby people who believe that ALL nasty pieces of work need understanding and therapies. I'm sure some people have demons but it's not a blanket excuse for miss treating or abusing children or animals or other human beings. I had a friend who had 2 brothers. One was a nice person as was my friend, but his older brother was a bully at school and enjoyed hitting people for no reason and was always in trouble with the police. The parents were good people and treated all 3 sons the same. My friend was the middle son. The older brother lead a life of crime and ultimately ended up dead from a drugs overdose. They all got treated the same by their parents and the 2 surviving brothers are perfectly decent respectable people, so I do not believe that all these nasty people all come from traumatic upbringings. The older brother............Paul chose the path he proceeded down, and paid the price. He was a nasty person and I hated visiting my friend Guy, when his older brother was there because he was a bully and tried it on me too. So I've been bullied as a child but have not turned into a sadistic wretch.
 
Whilst it may be true that many with issues later in life had a difficult start, what exactly differentiates them from those with an equally difficult start who rise above it and become decent people?

Why do we feel the need to make excuses for these people? I am not, however, taking sides here. Apart from the dogs!
 
Dougster said:
Whilst it may be true that many with issues later in life had a difficult start, what exactly differentiates them from those with an equally difficult start who rise above it and become decent people?

Why do we feel the need to make excuses for these people? I am not, however, taking sides here. Apart from the dogs!


We don't need to make excuses for them but we do need to understand them. It may help in the future to prevent repeat acts of this kind.
 
nobby said:
We don't need to make excuses for them but we do need to understand them. It may help in the future to prevent repeat acts of this kind.

I agree wholeheartedly. There is a very important difference between understanding and excusing.
 
Lurch said:
And yet the forum category quite clearly says Off Topic>Other Chatter
so the one thing one would not expect to find is bushcraft based banter.
:rolleyes:
Quite true, I suppose...

falling rain said:
Looking back through this thread. I notice you havn't contributed anything constructive except your trite remark. If you don't like it , don't read it, and go back to your kit chatter section.
OK, first of all - no offence was intended by my comment, and I hope you all realise that. However...
You said yourself that the potential for debate is endless; and, of course, you were correct. Therefore I see little reason in testing out just how endless.

But, that's just me. I don't have enough patience to scream and shout about how horrible some people are, and I certainly don't have enough to consider their reasoning, as whatever justification they claim is completely irrelevent to me. I see acts like animal cruelty in black and white, because unless that particular lamb went on a murderous rampage earlier on, hanging it is completely unjustified, simple as that.

Still, if you do have enough patience and indignation to scream and shout about it, by all means, do until a mod thinks it's gone too far. But it is, IMHO of course, pointless.

Again, I'd like to stress that I mean no offence to anyone, these are just my views.

Peace out.
 
falling rain said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/6518517.stm

fact that it was obviously deliberately done to upset the children at the school. :(

I guess it's hard to make any constructive comments over such an act. One thing is for sure, some kids have lost all respect for anything and everything.
I see everyday. Kids walking down the road, smashing glass bottles, kicking cars, throwing stones at windows. I cringe when I see kids walking down the road with airguns. It's not fair to tar *all* kids with the same brush but a minority most certainly go out of their way to do harm to others. Okay, I was no angel when I was a kid but I guess age brings understanding and responsibility.
When the kids go to school, go out at night or in fact even stay at home, who have they got to discipline them? No one, because as a society we have tried to protect the majority from the minority. No longer is a smack on the back side excepted in society. Is that a good thing? I am sure many on this group will say it is. Society blames circumstances for misbehaviour. Teenage car thief's, do what they do because *we* haven't built them a youth centre or a play ground, it's our fault you know! If it's not that, then its the parents, well what the hell can they do? We have already banned smacking and as for psychological rubbish, kids have a lot more understanding of psychological warfare than the parents. 'tissa road to disaster!
Fact is we have got the country in to this mess by removing all discipline and respect. Can I justify that? Can you imagine a change of rules in the army, where soldiers can pick and choose what training they have to do, what battles they have to fight, what orders they have to obey. Lets face it, it would be an army with no discipline or respect for authority. I guess the brass could try psychological warfare.

John
 

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