Correction Martin. You do have air-con in the 90, it's the time proven 2-50 system. You open the 2 flaps and drive at 50! Been standard fit since the series 2!
Dave
Dave
Which Land Rover?
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Tis the begining of the end! They'll have metallic paint next!
They've had that for years mate, both mine and the silver one next to it in the pic by the pub have it - though you have to be about 2" away to tell. It just kind of makes it shinier (when it's clean
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Just pulling you leg mate! I've just bit the bullet and fitted windows in my 1994 hard top, it's a lot better drive now you can see at junctions.
Ahhh, I did wonder you little tinker.
Always been tempted to fit little "peep" windows, not full side windows, just those little quarter-light things. It makes for a dark interior, but I like the security and privacy you get from the panel sides. I've got a set of full side windows in me shed, been there for over 3 years now, I could just never bring meself to fit em. I think my ideal would be a LWB, 4 door with h/t back....
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Yesterday I went to pick up my sister in law from Gatwick in my 110 county, as they're moving back from Spain, her and 9 of her kids aged between 7 and 18 so that was 11 of us and all their baggage on top from Gatwick to West Wales, I have to admit I'd not have wanted to be one of them on the bench seat in the back but we managed it, in my eye's it's a fantastic vehicle and in many ways I'd be lost without it (I'd also not be doing really long journeys with 9 kids so not all bad)
so not all bad)
I'll throw my money in for the 110 too. Even without any modifications it's a do all and anything vehicle. Its taken me, the mrs, three kids, dog and all our camping kit and bikes to Wales, Ireland, and France, and back again no probs. It feels like a vehicle should, every time you take it out you could be going on an expedition. A large amount of maintenance can be done yourself. We love it.
In reality as well any landrover except perhaps the freelander and modern range rovers and disco's - so any beam axled landrover would do you proud. 200 or 300tdi's have the least electrics so easiest to self maintain. Disco's and range rover classics cheaper than 90's or 110's.
Are they as reliable as the Japanese trucks - maybe not - they are as reliable as anything that needs looking after - great straight from the box but after 10 years we'll all need some TLC.
If you want to enjoy your time in vehicle and feel like your part of the world there is no other choice.
Rich and family
In reality as well any landrover except perhaps the freelander and modern range rovers and disco's - so any beam axled landrover would do you proud. 200 or 300tdi's have the least electrics so easiest to self maintain. Disco's and range rover classics cheaper than 90's or 110's.
Are they as reliable as the Japanese trucks - maybe not - they are as reliable as anything that needs looking after - great straight from the box but after 10 years we'll all need some TLC.
If you want to enjoy your time in vehicle and feel like your part of the world there is no other choice.
Rich and family
Following on from what Rich has just said (shamelessly culled from the "Top tips" section of a Landrover mag)
Buy the best one you can afford.
Drive a Defender, then a Discovery and see if you reallt still want a defender.
Make sure the vehicle has been maintained, and continue to do so.
These are from me. I've seen a lot of seemingly sensible people hop into a landrover for the first time, and take off in it like they're driving an Abhams tank. There seems to be something that makes them think a landy is indestructible and drive as if it is. This I believe is what leads to the premature failures, breakdowns etc. I work mine hard, but always drive with mechanical sympathy, as a result they seem to last and keep going. The maintenance is a must, the moving bits are bigger & heavier, there are twice as many gearboxes as a regular car and lots of places holding oils. Check/replace them regularly and the vehicle will last longer, and cost you less for bits. Remember, if its for example 16 years old, some of the parts WILL need repairing or replacing.
Be careful, they ARE addictive, I'm on my eighth Landy!
Enjoy,
Dave
Buy the best one you can afford.
Drive a Defender, then a Discovery and see if you reallt still want a defender.
Make sure the vehicle has been maintained, and continue to do so.
These are from me. I've seen a lot of seemingly sensible people hop into a landrover for the first time, and take off in it like they're driving an Abhams tank. There seems to be something that makes them think a landy is indestructible and drive as if it is. This I believe is what leads to the premature failures, breakdowns etc. I work mine hard, but always drive with mechanical sympathy, as a result they seem to last and keep going. The maintenance is a must, the moving bits are bigger & heavier, there are twice as many gearboxes as a regular car and lots of places holding oils. Check/replace them regularly and the vehicle will last longer, and cost you less for bits. Remember, if its for example 16 years old, some of the parts WILL need repairing or replacing.
Be careful, they ARE addictive, I'm on my eighth Landy!
Enjoy,
Dave
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I grew up with Landrovers. The first time I drove was a Series III 109 on forestry tracks when I was 12. But I now drive Japanese - specifically a LWB Mitsubishi Delica:
The engineering is good. Everything comes undone when you want it to. I do all the work on it myself, including stripping out the injection pump etc. Can carry 7 people and their luggage in comfort. Will go most places with the superselect 4x4 system, low range and big HT tyres. I've towed more vehicles out of the snow/ice than I can count.
2.5 tonnes. Comfortable. Has good power and acceleration for overtaking which is very handy on the A9, and will cruise along at 60-70mph very comfortably. Just got back from Skye where I did lots of driving. I learnt to drive on those kind of roads, and was really pleased by the way the Delica handled it - like proverbial on a blanket and better than many road cars.
Best of all it only cost me a couple of grand and some ninja spannering. Maybe it's because I support my family on a nurse's wage, or maybe I'm just naturally cheap, either way I never spend a lot of money on my cars.
EDIT: Best of all, the seats in the back fold down, so you can crawl into your sleeping bag and have a nice kip whenever you want. I call it a flexispace camper.
The engineering is good. Everything comes undone when you want it to. I do all the work on it myself, including stripping out the injection pump etc. Can carry 7 people and their luggage in comfort. Will go most places with the superselect 4x4 system, low range and big HT tyres. I've towed more vehicles out of the snow/ice than I can count.
2.5 tonnes. Comfortable. Has good power and acceleration for overtaking which is very handy on the A9, and will cruise along at 60-70mph very comfortably. Just got back from Skye where I did lots of driving. I learnt to drive on those kind of roads, and was really pleased by the way the Delica handled it - like proverbial on a blanket and better than many road cars.
Best of all it only cost me a couple of grand and some ninja spannering. Maybe it's because I support my family on a nurse's wage, or maybe I'm just naturally cheap, either way I never spend a lot of money on my cars.
EDIT: Best of all, the seats in the back fold down, so you can crawl into your sleeping bag and have a nice kip whenever you want. I call it a flexispace camper.
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I agree 4 wheelers ain't what they used to be. But so far the thread has had comments about all the reasons why they're changing; better fuel economy, more comfortable ride (at least with this generation), more gadgets (cd, ac, etc). Also there is one more reason not covered yet; more stringent safety requirements by the authorities. I'm as much for safety as anyone but off road capability doesn't always equate with on road safety features. That said I think there are still some pretty good choices out there. The Defender is one of them as is the Jeep Wrangler series and most of the 4wd Toyota pickups. Yeah I liked the Humvee when it was still being made but that's way out of my price range. As far needing mud tires, I've seen the swamp rats do extremely well in the swamps on street tires mounted on a stripped down dune buggy. Not street legal though.
You can play with land rovers, but if you want to really go off road you need one of these.
http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2010/09/15/apocalyptic-tractors/
Twin 38l engines one for each side, and quite a good load capacity as well
great for the school run too
http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2010/09/15/apocalyptic-tractors/
Twin 38l engines one for each side, and quite a good load capacity as well
great for the school run too
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Nice! But checking the tyre pressures would take about 3 days & I bet the breakover angle is "poor"!
CTIS... Russian trucks come with it as standard even a puncture doesn't matter (bullet proof tyres btw).... break over angle isn't a problem when all the wheels are driven.
A little footnote on the reliability debate (and I hope I am not tempting fate here)
Of my regular users :
Porsche 911 : always fails its MOT every year (rusty disks and pads)
3 Year old Audi A6 Quattro : failed its first MOT last year
10 Year old Defender TD5 90 : has passed every time without so much as a wiper blade required.
I reckon that if you look after your Landie it will look after you
NS
Of my regular users :
Porsche 911 : always fails its MOT every year (rusty disks and pads)
3 Year old Audi A6 Quattro : failed its first MOT last year
10 Year old Defender TD5 90 : has passed every time without so much as a wiper blade required.
I reckon that if you look after your Landie it will look after you
NS
something i can contribute to 
Disco or Defender? Here's the low down, if you don't mind working on a vehicle in all weathers, want something that will grow to love like a family member, have 110% faith in that it will do what you want it to do ( and a little more ), become part of a group of people who are like minded and slightly mad on a good day, have a grin similar to wedging a melon in ya gob, not be interested in communicating with your passengers due to the noise at any speed above 30mph, enjoy it when it stops raining outside your vehicle and continues to rain inside, wear several layers and have a blanket over your knees in the winter as the heater stopped working to keep warm, drive constantly with your window down regardless of weather, become immune to rattles, knocks and other noises, work out how much oil you need to top the engine up by looking at the size of the oil slick on the floor, learn that driving at 50-60 is as fast as your gonna get, have deep pockets for the huge fuel consumption, work out that when you watch a film of someone driving and they move the wheel from side to side when going in a straight line, that was based on driving a Landy, and finally ( although i have missed out a huge amount ) become dedicated to the vehicle ( if you cant lift a spanner, forget it ) then consider a 90/110 or a Defender ( or a series if your really into bone rattles )
If on the other hand you want a comfy ride and to become just another puddle splashing Disco driver, then buy one
Joking aside, both vehicles are capable but you really need to be commited when buying a Landy, especially a Series/90/110/130 or Defender model, Discos are oki, not my cup of tea though, i enjoy driving my 90 and use it everyday for work and travel. If you go for an older model ( pre 1990 ) then look for one with a 200Tdi engine in ( straightforward conversion ) at least and expect to pay apprx 3-4k for a decent condition one, if your looking for a more expensive one with a 300Tdi or TD5 in, then expect to pay upto and over 8-10k for one in top condition.
I wish you luck and if you need anymore assistance, drop me a message
Here's mine with the lovely Fox posing
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Disco or Defender? Here's the low down, if you don't mind working on a vehicle in all weathers, want something that will grow to love like a family member, have 110% faith in that it will do what you want it to do ( and a little more ), become part of a group of people who are like minded and slightly mad on a good day, have a grin similar to wedging a melon in ya gob, not be interested in communicating with your passengers due to the noise at any speed above 30mph, enjoy it when it stops raining outside your vehicle and continues to rain inside, wear several layers and have a blanket over your knees in the winter as the heater stopped working to keep warm, drive constantly with your window down regardless of weather, become immune to rattles, knocks and other noises, work out how much oil you need to top the engine up by looking at the size of the oil slick on the floor, learn that driving at 50-60 is as fast as your gonna get, have deep pockets for the huge fuel consumption, work out that when you watch a film of someone driving and they move the wheel from side to side when going in a straight line, that was based on driving a Landy, and finally ( although i have missed out a huge amount ) become dedicated to the vehicle ( if you cant lift a spanner, forget it ) then consider a 90/110 or a Defender ( or a series if your really into bone rattles
)If on the other hand you want a comfy ride and to become just another puddle splashing Disco driver, then buy one
Joking aside, both vehicles are capable but you really need to be commited when buying a Landy, especially a Series/90/110/130 or Defender model, Discos are oki, not my cup of tea though, i enjoy driving my 90 and use it everyday for work and travel. If you go for an older model ( pre 1990 ) then look for one with a 200Tdi engine in ( straightforward conversion ) at least and expect to pay apprx 3-4k for a decent condition one, if your looking for a more expensive one with a 300Tdi or TD5 in, then expect to pay upto and over 8-10k for one in top condition.
I wish you luck and if you need anymore assistance, drop me a message
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