Wheres the parachutes hiding?

Oct 22, 2017
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Hi all, I need a large parachute (roughly 30ft) but can't find one any where! (Or at least not one that I'd need a mortgage to buy!)
I did find one on Ebay but the insistence of no returns made me a bit hesitant to buy it. Any of you clever folks know something good?
 
Oct 22, 2017
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Surrey, UK
I wouldn't necessarily wan't to return it, it's just I'm kind of experimenting with what works and what doesn't at the moment. Also I would think there would have to be a reason to be so insistent that no matter what, you can't return an item. Maybe it's just to much hassle for the seller but for £55 I can't really afford to chance it!
 

Dogoak

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I wouldn't necessarily wan't to return it, it's just I'm kind of experimenting with what works and what doesn't at the moment. Also I would think there would have to be a reason to be so insistent that no matter what, you can't return an item. Maybe it's just to much hassle for the seller but for £55 I can't really afford to chance it!

To be honest, I don't think if I was the seller I'd be happy to offer a return to someone who wants to experiment with it and if it doesn't suit just return it?

There is is a seller on eBay, may be the same one, £55, 100% + feedback, guaranteed no rips or holes. Obviously if it is ripped or holed they'd have to refund you.
 

crosslandkelly

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To be honest, I don't think if I was the seller I'd be happy to offer a return to someone who wants to experiment with it and if it doesn't suit just return it?

There is is a seller on eBay, may be the same one, £55, 100% + feedback, guaranteed no rips or holes. Obviously if it is ripped or holed they'd have to refund you.

My thoughts too.
 

Nomad64

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Nov 21, 2015
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To be honest, I don't think if I was the seller I'd be happy to offer a return to someone who wants to experiment with it and if it doesn't suit just return it?

Agreed - the seller can’t be expected to let people hang them from trees and light fires under them for a week or two before deciding whether they want to keep it.

I bought one of these;

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Parachute-Canopy-With-Lines-/122715911589?hash=item1c927035a5:m:m4SNVLrZIJ1In8ckXaaWmOQ

earlier in the year from the same supplier (iirc the price was then £30 or £35 delivered) and it appeared pretty much as new (which I guess is how a reserve parachute should look) and having the lines attached was a real bonus. :)
 
Oct 22, 2017
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Haha I obviously didn't intend use it!
It's a fair point that some numbskulls would and then expect a return, I hadn't thought of that.
Will probably end up looking round army surplus stores around me always preferred buying something I can actually see and touch :)
 

Broch

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The parachute quoted by Nomad64 is excellent - I think it's 28'. If you hang it with the two window panels on the leeward side the smoke from a camp fire will tend to go through them and not hang as low. the material is like new and each line is more than long enough. It's well worth the money (no connection, just a very happy customer).

Cheers,

Broch
 
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The parachute quoted by Nomad64 is excellent - I think it's 28'. If you hang it with the two window panels on the leeward side the smoke from a camp fire will tend to go through them and not hang as low. the material is like new and each line is more than long enough. It's well worth the money (no connection, just a very happy customer).

Cheers,

Broch

Plus one for the chute and seller mentioned above, I have bought two, no rips or tears in either and all lines still attached. Couple of mates have bought them from the same seller and no issues with them either.

No connections etc.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Parachute-Canopy-With-Lines-/122715911589?hash=item1c927035a5:m:m4SNVLrZIJ1In8ckXaaWmOQ
 
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Tomteifi

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If you buy anything from a registered Ebay seller and pay via paypal and it goes t.ts up for any reason eg faulty goods-Ebay WILL refund you and chase the seller for the the money. If they fail to cough up they are removed as a seller and cant trade. Therefore you cannot lose.

I do agree with what others have said also; you cannot expect to buy something on a whim that you may or may not like it. You can always contact a registered seller and ask for details of the item that may not have been included in the description. I have only ever had one problem item in 9 years and they resolved it by refunding me the next day after a seller refused to get back to me after several requests.
 

C_Claycomb

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Tomteifi is spot on. I loath using ebay to sell anything for this reason. While it may demonstrate the moral fibre of a lugworm, there are plenty of people who will and do buy something just to have a look at it, decide it isn't to their liking, and demand a return. Ebay and PP make their money from people buying, not selling, and claim they want to ensure the buyers have a safe environment. In doing so, it is widely agreed, they have weighted matters far too heavily in the buyer's favour, a fact often taken advantage of my crooks and fraudsters who use it as a means to steal from hapless sellers.

So, as a buyer, you are golden and the seller hasn't got much of a leg to stand on, even with their statement, which is more about how happy they will be if they have to take the goods back.

Why exactly do you want a parachute? My experience is that people either know they want one, or know they don't. They are useful for a group area around a fire, in a largely static camp, when there are suitable trees, and you have enough rope and cord to suspend one.
 

Nomad64

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There are two distinct consumer rights issues here; (1) the right to return goods which are defective/not as described etc. and (2) the right to return goods bought online etc.

The law is a bit complicated but the Money Saving Expert guidance is as good as any and well worth getting familiar with.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/consumer-rights-refunds-exchange#must

In a nutshell, “Buy it now” purchases on the Bay of E from business sellers are treated as any other online purchase (I’m not sure whether this also applies to “casual” sellers using the “Buy it now” feature) and subject to a few exceptions, the Consumer Contracts Regulations 2013 give purchasers an absolute right to cancel the contract within 14 days of receipt and return them for a refund.

So, despite what I said in my earlier post, there is an element of “try before you buy” but if the goods are not returned in the same condition the seller is entitled to deduct from the refund.

Although the listing for the parachute I bought says “no returns”, it also says elsewhere on the listing that it can be returned within 14 days but the buyer pays postage - which reflects the legal position.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Parachute-Canopy-With-Lines-/122715911589?hash=item1c927035a5:m:m4SNVLrZIJ1In8ckXaaWmOQ

So, if the OP is happy to be saddled with the cost of returning the ‘chute, they will be able to have a look at the goods before deciding but if all the ‘chutes sold are in the same condition as the one I received (i.e. cosmetically “as new”), any mud, snags or smoke added during any trial would be very obvious.

FWIW, the seller SES appear to actually be in the business of selling and servicing aircraft safety kit rather than just hawking ex-MOD kit.

https://ses-safety.com/

As others have said, in addition to the statutory consumer rights, the Bay of E and P@ypal do give buyers a fair bit of clout if goods are faulty or not as described etc.

I’m sure this can be abused by unscrupulous buyers but I was very glad of this protection a few weeks ago when I bought a secondhand chainsaw with a glowing description (freshly cleaned, serviced, bar dressed etc. and in near “show” condition) from a seller with very good feedback. The first sign that all was not well was when a rather grumpy postie handed me a box reeking of petrol and I took plenty of pictures as I unpacked a chainsaw still half full of fuel and oil in a filthy condition that I would be embarrassed putting away after a days use let alone trying to sell as a pristine saw, with a bar that had clearly been run with no oil and a sparkplug fitted by a gorilla.

After some acrimonious correspondence through the Bay of E dispute system (despite the pictures, the seller denied everything and accused me of just wanting free hire of a saw!), I returned the saw (minus fuel, oil and a lot of sawdust!) and the seller coughed a full refund (inc postage both ways), the day before I assume that the Bay of E admins would have done it anyway - a reasoned and reasonable complaint backed with plenty of pictures vs stupid denials and wild allegations. Fortunately, I didn't have to test which way the Bay of E admins lean if the evidence is less clearcut but suspect that C_Claycombe is probably correct in suggesting that they err in favour of the buyer. A satisfactory outcome to an unnecessarily acrimonious transaction - being charitable, I assume that the previous good feedback was legit. but the seller had got lazy or had left someone else in charge of the "shop". Despite all this, I took a chance on another saw and have had my faith in human nature restored. :)

Lesson from all this - "know your rights" - the inter web is full of useful guidance on consumer protection, take pictures and record other evidence, be prepared to stand your ground without trying to exploit minor issues - if only because karma can be a b!tch!

Back to the OP (welcome to the forum BTW) - you have had several ringing endorsements for a 28' parachute with lines attached and if you really want one, you could probably burn through the tenner or so in petrol that it would cost to return it, trying to find a decent one in a surplus shop.

Good luck and let us know how you get on. :)
 
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Fallschirmwomble

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There are parachute canopies and parachute canopies. Ruling out the ram-air, brake and very specialised types, you have the stereotypical parabolic ones which are field mushroom shaped when inflated and the aeroconical which are somewhat like the top half of an onion. The current canopy used by British Airborne Forces is a sort of "flatter" parabolic shape.

Some of these have mesh vents (usually on military reserves: to keep it away from the main canopy) and some have empty gores for steering. The Soviets used square canopies, the current US T-11 canopy is almost half box shaped.

What exactly do you want the canopy for?

If for a shelter and/or a makeshift hammock, I generally recommend the PX4 canopy:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/X-Type-Parachute-canopy-With-Lines/112593095491
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/X-Type-Parachute-canopy-Without-Lines/122786139797

The seller is a business that holds and maintains military parachute rigs.

32' diameter with a mesh skirt around the periphery. Colour will be two shades of olive green, no deviation. Fabric is NOT ripstop. Parachute rigs undergo a great deal of wear and tear - you can never guarantee that there won't be repair patches. DO bear in mind, though, that these patches will be VERY strong: the fabric is folded and sewn in such a way that fraying and coming undone is not possible. They also need to be able to bear weight. They have to use the same fabric so they aren't so visible from a distance.

The lines inside these canopies are white with black flecks - if you unpick the stitching, you'll get 16x lengths of 32' of the stuff. Note that, the stitching (to the canopy) will have weakened it so don't expect it to be as reliable under load as virgin parachute line.

I have two white parachute canopies that I tend to use as photographic backdrops. What worked for me is removing every second and third line out of every three lines. I have a canopy that works really well as a backdrop and gazebo (for photography) plus heaploads of genuine parachute line.
:)

For storage, it'll fold down small enough to fit into a standard greengrocer produce box - best kept in a bag.

If you want to see the inflated shape of this particular canopy, watch "A Bridge Too Far". If it's not the same canopy, it's the one issued just prior (the same but for the mesh skirt) - this type of canopy entered service around the time that the film was made.

If it proves unsuitable to your needs, why not just resell it? If you know someone handy with a sewing machine, you could always knock out some "zoot suits"...
 

leon-1

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I have purchased from SESltd (the company shown on ebay) for two different companies. The service and the quality of the goods are superb. I will say that the X type canopies are not as waterproof as some others, if it thumps down you will find yourself in a fine mist, but they cover a large area and I have used them year round. They stand up to all but the very worst weather.

They have more to worry about with you than you do with them.
 
Apr 8, 2009
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Sorry to resurrect an old thread. Unfortunately I missed out on the links above (now sold out). Anyone know of an alternative source? I notice the SES ebay shop does have the newer LLP parachutes (although £60!) – does anyone have experience of this type (28 panel/38ft diameter) as a shelter?

My current parachute – from French provenance – is a bit of a nightmare to set up being ‘bell’ shaped – i.e. the hem/outer edge is shorter than the ‘waist’, and even with clingons fastened on its widest part, it’s a pain in the neck to hang correctly. The british ones that I’ve seen seem to be much more evenly conical in shape. Are the newer LLP canopies the same conical shape? I’d hate to spank £60 and end up with the same issue!
 

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