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santaman2000

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...Great if it's a farm vehicle and used a majority of the time off-road.

Bit pointless having off-road type handling on-road if the cars driving the vast vast majority of the time on-road though...

Jeeps aren't especially popular here for farm vehicles. Most farm work requires a larger vehicle such as a pick-up with more cargo capacity (think putting a rail system around the cargo bed and hauling several head of livestock) and the ability to pull larger livestock trailors. Also farm vehicles here rarely do any serious off-roading (only across fairly well kept fields or on good farm/forestry roads)

No. Serious off-roaders are usually hunters or people who just like to go into the mountains, swamps, deserts, etc for play time.
 
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santaman2000

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...crap level of finish and crap quality of parts used (plastic).
As i say i'm a MX5 driver so i'm the last to call anyone out on their car choice, still doesn't change the facts as they stand though.

I gotta agree with much of this. for the last couple of decades Jeep has been marketing the Wrangler more and more toward the Yuppy crowd; loads of multi disc C.D. systems/MP3 systems with 6 speakers, NavStar, Satelite Radio, leather seats, etc. and far too little room (inside) for serious off-roaders' gear; C.B.s, 2 meter ham radios, shovels, guns, chains, etc. I'd personally love to see a P.T.O. offered but I ain't holding my breath.

That said, it's still THE Jeep. The basic Wrangler frame and will still go anywhere a horse can go; just like the original requirement when the 1st Willies was developed.
 

cbr6fs

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It was the standard factory offered vehicle. I bought t new from the dealership (it only had 2 miles on the odometer when I first test drove it) I think there may be a difference in what was/is offered here vs what was/is offered there. As I said, straight 6s haven't been offered here (by Jeep) for decades; just V6 or V8; although off and on they will re-instate a straight 4 cylinder offering (never popular though) These were/are the same engines offered on ALL 1/4 ton Jeep vehicles here; the Wrangler, Cherokee, and the Grand Cherokee anyway, I'm not sure about the Commander or Patriot.

Likewise you have an option for a diesel engine and we don't, except for a brief period it was offered on the Liberty.


Very weird.

Carried a out a quick 10 min search just out of curiosity and i've not been able to find 1 single reference of any Wrangler being factory fitted with a V6.
I tailored this search specifically for the US market as well.

So if yours was a V6 then either i'm missing something in which case i apologise, or you may have been mistaken thinking it was a V6.
Either way, very strange.

Jeeps aren't especially popular here for farm vehicles. Most farm work requires a larger vehicle such as a pick-up with more cargo capacity (think putting a rail system around the cargo bed and hauling several head of livestock) and the ability to pull larger livestock trailors. Also farm vehicles here rarely do any serious off-roading (only across fairly well kept fields or on good farm/forestry roads)

No. Serious off-roaders are usually hunters or people who just like to go into the mountains, swamps, deserts, etc for play time.


It's odd with off-roaders as the better they get off-road the worse they get on-road.
For a car that's used a majority of the time off-road i can understand reasoning behind the compromise, but to have to put up with a off-roader while driving it mainly on-road just seems a bit daft to me.

Granted there are some that enjoy off-roading and can't afford or don't have the space for a second car, but most folks i've talked to with off-roaders have only been off-road with their cars once or twice, even then it was only over a field.

I agree with you on the pick-ups as well, there are a LOT handier on farms.

I gotta agree with much of this. for the last couple of decades Jeep has been marketing the Wrangler more and more toward the Yuppy crowd; loads of multi disc C.D. systems/MP3 systems with 6 speakers, NavStar, Satelite Radio, leather seats, etc. and far too little room (inside) for serious off-roaders' gear; C.B.s, 2 meter ham radios, shovels, guns, chains, etc. I'd personally love to see a P.T.O. offered but I ain't holding my breath.

That said, it's still THE Jeep. The basic Wrangler frame and will still go anywhere a horse can go; just like the original requirement when the 1st Willies was developed.


Absolutely no doubt a well sort Wrangler can be a fair old off-road killer.
On the type of off-roading we get over here and in the UK though i was extremely disappointed with the off-road capabilities of the fairly stock Wrangler, the Discovery and cherokee both had to pull the Wrangler out of many stuck spots.

What really disappoints me though is the interiors.
I know they're aimed at off-roaders so they need to be able to be wipped down etc, but the fit and finish is terrible and the plastic they use makes Bic pens seem like Titanium masterpieces.

It's a real shame as due to the tax laws here you can pick up a 2004 Jeep for virtually nothing now.
I've been to see and test drive a few as in theory the offer a LOT for your money (especially compared to the Smart i bought instead), but i just can't get on with them.

Even tried looking at a few Discoveries as well, but it's difficult to find one that's running :lmao:

For me personally i have absolutely no loyalty to any brand or car manufacturer, i base each car purchase 100% on a cars merits and if it serves the purpose i require, so with that being said IF i bought a off-roader i'd need to be heavily swayed not to buy something like a Mitsi Shogun.
 

santaman2000

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Very weird.

Carried a out a quick 10 min search just out of curiosity and i've not been able to find 1 single reference of any Wrangler being factory fitted with a V6.
I tailored this search specifically for the US market as well.

So if yours was a V6 then either i'm missing something in which case i apologise, or you may have been mistaken thinking it was a V6.
Either way, very strange...

Oddly most of the reviews I see online for 1990-1995 also list straight 6s; but they also list them as being carbureted! Mine (and all I ever saw were injected) No. I know the difference between a straight or a V engine LOL. especially many times as I hanged the spark plugs; every 30,,000 miles for a 200,000 mile lifespan (or 6 times)
 

santaman2000

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...Granted there are some that enjoy off-roading and can't afford or don't have the space for a second car, but most folks i've talked to with off-roaders have only been off-road with their cars once or twice, even then it was only over a field...

Yeah it's the same over here too. Except for a few hardcores in certain locales; usually rural areas of the South or the Desert Souhwest or the upper Midwest. Most others are more interested in image.
 
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cbr6fs

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Oddly most of the reviews I see online for 1990-1995 also list straight 6s; but they also list them as being carbureted! Mine (and all I ever saw were injected) No. I know the difference between a straight or a V engine LOL. especially many times as I hanged the spark plugs; every 30,,000 miles for a 200,000 mile lifespan (or 6 times)

One of my other hobbies is anything radio controlled, one of the RC cars i have is a rock crawler type.

I hope you don't mind but you have pricked my curiosity, so i have asked on one the forums if the V6 was offered by Jeep before 2007, there are a LOT of Jeep fanatics on that site so i have my fingers crossed we'll know either way.

Also asked when fuel injection was first offered, 1990 does sound about right for most cars being fitted with fuel injection.

As you do not know me i hopefully will clarify that i'm not trying to be a know-it-all or troll here, i have been bordering on fanatical with cars since before i could walk, so i honestly am more curious than anything else.

Yeah it's the same over here too. Except for a few hardcores in certain locales; usually rural areas of the South or the Desert Souhwest or the upper Midwest. Most others are more interested in image.

Unfortunately even the old gal (me Mum) fell into the 4x4 trap.
I think some folks just like the (inaccurate) idea that if they have a 4x4 they'll be able to drive in any conditions, in my experience though this is so wide of reality that you really have to question these peoples thought process (including the old gals).
Sure some 4x4's will go where cars should not be able to go, something like a BMW X5 though with road tyres are worse off-road than a bog basic cheapo fwd car (being that because it's a base model it has the skinniest tyres) in many off-road type conditions.

I got caught out in the snow a few years ago in the MX5 (Miata over there).
There is a very slight incline to get to my house that few cars were able to get up, i had to park up and help a guy in one of these soft roaders, after 20 mins though he gave up and parked up.
I walked back to my rwd car that is pretty much as bad as you can get for the snow, let a fair bit of air out my tyres, reversed as far back as i could and took a run up.

I had a couple of close calls, but a quick gentle tug on the hand brake had me driving over the top, much to the astonishment of the soft roader guy :lmao:
 

Adze

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I got caught out in the snow a few years ago in the MX5 (Miata over there).
There is a very slight incline to get to my house that few cars were able to get up, i had to park up and help a guy in one of these soft roaders, after 20 mins though he gave up and parked up.
I walked back to my rwd car that is pretty much as bad as you can get for the snow, let a fair bit of air out my tyres, reversed as far back as i could and took a run up.

I had a couple of close calls, but a quick gentle tug on the hand brake had me driving over the top, much to the astonishment of the soft roader guy :lmao:

There ain't no substitute for driver ability - driveability helps, but not a lot generally.
 

Big Stu 12

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I just got a litle o'l Discovery with loads of off road Mod's.......
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armie

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Me driving Peugeot 307, second hand. It has enough space in the boot for two people's bushcraft gear (and somehow it's always full of stuff :) )
 
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cbr6fs

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There ain't no substitute for driver ability - driveability helps, but not a lot generally.

Aye it does help knowing you car, and knowing a few tricks let letting the pressure out of your tyres a bit, and a dab of handbrake (if your handbrake goes to the driven wheels and your driven wheels are connected to a TorSen type LSD) at the right moment.

Biggest difference i've found though is the right tyres for the job.
 

santaman2000

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...I hope you don't mind but you have pricked my curiosity, so i have asked on one the forums if the V6 was offered by Jeep before 2007, there are a LOT of Jeep fanatics on that site so i have my fingers crossed we'll know either way.

Also asked when fuel injection was first offered, 1990 does sound about right for most cars being fitted with fuel injection.

As you do not know me i hopefully will clarify that i'm not trying to be a know-it-all or troll here, i have been bordering on fanatical with cars since before i could walk, so i honestly am more curious than anything else...

No I don't mind at all. In fact I'm getting curious now myself as all I'm finding online regarding used Jeeps from the time period indicates you are correct. I could obviously be wrong (my memory in error) about what my research turned before my purchace (17 years ago) but I know very well what I actually had and worked on. That's the odd thing here.
 

cbr6fs

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No I don't mind at all. In fact I'm getting curious now myself as all I'm finding online regarding used Jeeps from the time period indicates you are correct. I could obviously be wrong (my memory in error) about what my research turned before my purchace (17 years ago) but I know very well what I actually had and worked on. That's the odd thing here.

It seems as though the chances of a V6 Wrangler pre 2007 are very very slim, a few have responded with various model numbers that will probably make more sense to you than to me.
So here is the link

It does seem that you were right on the fuel injection front though, as 1987 is being banded about as the change over year.

They're the only thing connecting your car to the road and probably the single most overlooked performance modification you can make to your car as it affects acceleration, cornering and braking all at once.

Always surprises me how many people fail to have enough common sense to realise that though.

Knocking about various car forums the last 10 years or so i have lost count the amount of posts i've read of people losing control of their cars or crashing, only for us to discover later they had £30 tyres fitted to a £20k car.

Or that their tyres were severally worn, either from shear ignorance or because they have never had their cars suspension geometry checked.
 

Big Stu 12

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My daily driver is a 1981 S3 swb landrover with a proper black badge and gods own springs of the leaf variety. It bears the patina of many years use and abuse and I like it all the more for it.

nice Landy there Toots, I had a 1978 12 seater safari in white, and loved it , but it was never the same after I rolled it and had to sell it, lol.
 

lavrentyuk

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Nissan Terrano II. Gets up to about 36 mpg on the motorway, less running around mid Wales. Good, though I wish it was bigger sometimes as it is the SWB.
 

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