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MSkiba

Settler
Aug 11, 2010
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North West
No need to worry chaps. This wild animal does not eat, leaves no prints, no droppings and avoids the camera's in an over populated island, so chances are it wont eat you at night.

We can go into the middle of the deepest jungle and find and film a rare animal breeding, but we cant find a wild cat in the UK where the woodlands are far and few between. Every person has a camera phone now, they would of caught this veggie eating cat by now. Ohh they havent yet got a picture, sample, corpse, paw print or dropping? then surly logic and science clearly states it must exists but its shy *giggle*
 

No Idea

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Sep 18, 2010
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Dorset
I was in the local park one day last year.

This big deer ran across the main road into the park and ran the full length of it - terrifying several dogs on the way, before disapearing into the trees at the far end.

I had my phone in my hand and managed to take 3 pics of it.

When I blew them up, I had somehow missed it.

The deer was a stag with huge antlers.

The park is half a mile long and I was 50 yards - half a football pitch away from the deers course.

There is no way I missed it with the phone camera, but somehow it just didnt come out.

Half the pics I publish on this forum come from that same phone.

Im not surprised there are no pics of any cats from mobile phones.

btw.. this was in good light at about 10am.
 
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MSkiba

Settler
Aug 11, 2010
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North West
my point is, if it was a big scary cat, you would of checked, and then took photo's of the paw prints and any other clues it left behind just incase the original photo did not come out. With a deer, no problem I will probably see another one so no issue.

If there was a big cat roaming the country, it would of been photographed by now, tracked by rae mears, caught on cctv etc.. Not only that, its droppings would of been found and maybe a mauled corpse with distinctive bite / claw marks on it.

I woudnt go beliveing it because someone claimed they saw one. So far, no evidance. Maybe in canada yes, but in UK it would of been long found by now.
 

Andy T

Settler
Sep 8, 2010
899
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Stoke on Trent.
my cousin and i were going round a certain golf club one night, just outside Wolverhampton, (just admiring the scenery with our two lurchers, not lamping as that would be illegal), and we saw a large black cat cross one of the fairways about 75 yards ahead of us. Now i'm not saying that it was a big cat but it was certainly larger than a domestic moggy.
 

Rabbitsmacker

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Nov 23, 2008
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Kings Lynn
i reckon theres something to the stories, our environment is perfect for wild cats to live in and lots of native species are never seen by joe public while out crashing around the local waste grounds. you probably have more chance of being in the 'local dog walker finds dead body' type scenario.

lets face it, where these animal types are KNOWN to habit, jungles, mountains,hot climate, cold climate, asia, eastern europe north america etc etc, they are difficult in locating, even for proffesional trackers and local hunters. so maybe uncle ray has tracked one, maybe he's not gonna split that story, or maybe he's just not in that league? who's to know?

lot's of specialist wildlife tracking camera crews can go into the jungle, specifically targeting one species of big cat, and work sytematically for weeks day in day out and turn up nothing.

in the face of that, our woodland is less dense but our mountain areas can be as barren, where is the breeding population hiding?

i reckon its like ufo's or bigfoot, unless a body turns up nobody will believe. if you get tracks cast, they are fake, if you get poo, you have a made a mistake, you get a corpse, it's to decomposed to identify.

it get's me mad because modern life has us telling people what their dead brothers aunt's sisters neighbour died of, when, how, and what crossword answer they were about to write down, and probably had them on cctv 63 times scratching their bum in bed that morning, and because of this need for visual proof all the time we can't laterally think without sounding like crack pots!

how has religeon survived at all under these demands for evidence.

rant over
 

John Fenna

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Oct 7, 2006
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i reckon theres something to the stories, our environment is perfect for wild cats to live in and lots of native species are never seen by joe public while out crashing around the local waste grounds. you probably have more chance of being in the 'local dog walker finds dead body' type scenario.

lets face it, where these animal types are KNOWN to habit, jungles, mountains,hot climate, cold climate, asia, eastern europe north america etc etc, they are difficult in locating, even for proffesional trackers and local hunters. so maybe uncle ray has tracked one, maybe he's not gonna split that story, or maybe he's just not in that league? who's to know?

lot's of specialist wildlife tracking camera crews can go into the jungle, specifically targeting one species of big cat, and work sytematically for weeks day in day out and turn up nothing.

in the face of that, our woodland is less dense but our mountain areas can be as barren, where is the breeding population hiding?

i reckon its like ufo's or bigfoot, unless a body turns up nobody will believe. if you get tracks cast, they are fake, if you get poo, you have a made a mistake, you get a corpse, it's to decomposed to identify.

it get's me mad because modern life has us telling people what their dead brothers aunt's sisters neighbour died of, when, how, and what crossword answer they were about to write down, and probably had them on cctv 63 times scratching their bum in bed that morning, and because of this need for visual proof all the time we can't laterally think without sounding like crack pots!

how has religeon survived at all under these demands for evidence.

rant over

Well said!
 

JonathanD

Ophiological Genius
Sep 3, 2004
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Stourton,UK
my point is, if it was a big scary cat, you would of checked, and then took photo's of the paw prints and any other clues it left behind just incase the original photo did not come out. With a deer, no problem I will probably see another one so no issue.

That's just it, there are plenty of pics and casts of suspected big cat footprints. The problem is though, in a nation of dog lovers, alot of big cats have very similar prints to dogs, and there are thousands of breeds and cross breeds making different tracks in this country to confuse.

If there was a big cat roaming the country, it would of been photographed by now, tracked by rae mears, caught on cctv etc.. Not only that, its droppings would of been found and maybe a mauled corpse with distinctive bite / claw marks on it.

There are againplenty of camera phone pics and videos out there. Some very good and compelling, so much so that Ian Maxwell made a programme on them. Ray Mears has tracked them and has gone on public recorded stating he has seen three. There are plenty of mauled corpses found with bite marks and skulls that have had the cranium chewed open. This is the MO of a cat kill and not anything native to this country. Again, Ian Maxwell found two such corpses when he was tracking a sighting local to him.

I woudnt go beliveing it because someone claimed they saw one. So far, no evidance. Maybe in canada yes, but in UK it would of been long found by now.

But no one is really actively looking for them. How many venomous snake stories do you see in the papers (eg Black Mamba found in Coventry?) You don't. But part of my job is being called out to these sighting and to capture them. I can tell you now that they are not all escaped Corn snakes. The papers do occasionally get wind of them, but I've only been approached twice by them in the last two years.
 

decorum

Full Member
May 2, 2007
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Warwickshire
There are credible witnesses who have seen 'a big black cat' local to me. I'll believe it when I see it ~ but the local area could be good to sustain without too much notice



On a lighter note ...

'The Bonkers Beast of Boncath'?
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JonathanD

Ophiological Genius
Sep 3, 2004
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Stourton,UK
There are credible witnesses who have seen 'a big black cat' local to me. I'll believe it when I see it ~ but the local area could be good to sustain without too much notice



On a lighter note ...

'The Bonkers Beast of Boncath'?
Sep05948.jpg

That's not on a lighter side. You can't get much darker and grim than that.
 

MSkiba

Settler
Aug 11, 2010
842
1
North West
That's just it, there are plenty of pics and casts of suspected big cat footprints. The problem is though, in a nation of dog lovers, alot of big cats have very similar prints to dogs, and there are thousands of breeds and cross breeds making different tracks in this country to confuse.



There are againplenty of camera phone pics and videos out there. Some very good and compelling, so much so that Ian Maxwell made a programme on them. Ray Mears has tracked them and has gone on public recorded stating he has seen three. There are plenty of mauled corpses found with bite marks and skulls that have had the cranium chewed open. This is the MO of a cat kill and not anything native to this country. Again, Ian Maxwell found two such corpses when he was tracking a sighting local to him.



But no one is really actively looking for them. How many venomous snake stories do you see in the papers (eg Black Mamba found in Coventry?) You don't. But part of my job is being called out to these sighting and to capture them. I can tell you now that they are not all escaped Corn snakes. The papers do occasionally get wind of them, but I've only been approached twice by them in the last two years.

Seems I got my facts wrong. Appologies.
 

JonathanD

Ophiological Genius
Sep 3, 2004
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Stourton,UK
Seems I got my facts wrong. Appologies.

No need to apologise, if it's not something you've ever looked into, then you are not to know the details. It was Ian Maxwell that opened my eyes to the possibility and high probability of some of these sightings being fact. The vast majority of the population, even our community, doesn't know about the underground traffic in these animals in the UK. The illegal exotic pet trade is huge, and if you have the money, it is not at all hard to get one of these animals.
 

Andy T

Settler
Sep 8, 2010
899
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Stoke on Trent.
one thing that always sticks in my mind is when we shone the lamp on whatever it was we saw was that its eyes shone back a really bright yellow ............ive lamped quite a few foxes and never seen one with eyes that shone that colour with the lamp on it
 

shaggystu

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Nov 10, 2003
4,345
33
Derbyshire
.......ive lamped quite a few foxes......

by which of course you meant that you've had quite a few foxes walk in front of the torch that you were using to better admire the scenery whilst out walking your lurcher in the early hours of the morning. obviously.

i remember hearing about a large number of lynx being released from riber zoo (now closed) when i was quite young by some animal rights types. the lynx were pretty much all found dead within a couple of weeks. the area where they were released was just outside matlock in the peak district, so a pretty diverse region in terms of habitat. there should've been enough around for them to eat (i'd have thought), and plenty of areas where they could more or less dissapear from view. my question is this - if everything is so ideal for big cats in the uk then why do we not have a thriving population of wild lynx living in the peak district?

stuart

p.s. i have no personal opinion whatsoever as to whether or not there are big cats living wild in the uk, but i'd love to think that there are and the arguments for their existance seem to be much more compelling so far
 

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