Ive just re-read this entire thread from the beginning with great interest.
What I have taken away from it is that -
- most modern western diets are unhealthy (no surprise there)
- vegan diets are generally healthier than the above (again no surprise)
- the above is based more on the fact vegans take a more serious approach to health and dietary needs
- western diets that take the same care are in fact just as healthy (again not surprising)
Essentially the “great debate” is focused on the morality/ethicality of killing animals for food. My personal opinion, which may be unpopular with some is -
I eat meat, I enjoy eating meat, I hunt (as far as is possible in the UK), I enjoy hunting, I take the utmost care not to cause any unnecessary suffering (yes i completely except animals feel pain/distress), I eat what I kill with the exception of pest control (however rabbit, pigeon and squirrel are defined as pests and I eat them where the meat is viable).
On an ethical standpoint I don’t agree with battery farming and other “farming” methods that cause unnecessary suffering, I also however understand that in the modern world it is difficult if not impossible for “most” regular people to truly know where their food has come from - the exception being those fortunate to live within small rural communities where field to table is the norm.
(I accept that this is an unpleasant fact but one that cannot and will not be changed with modern society as it stands today or even if it ever could be - that’s another post in and of itself)
I don’t have issues with animal products in the main such as leather, down etc... (or animal testing for medical purposes) but again in this modern world I’m not naive enough to think these are simply a by product as they once were.
Hypocritically I disagree with fur for fashion which I realise is pretty much the same thing nowadays but that is more part of my personal morality.
Likewise with ivory, trophy hunts, cosmetics testing etc...
Now to what I expect will be the most unpopular part for some -
Fundamentally I believe animals are a resource, I don’t believe in the moral reasons for not killing animals for food (i caveat that by accepting there are practices that cause unnecessary suffering and as above, where possible to do so, try to avoid these), I strongly believe there are many and varied reasons where animals need to be killed for pest control (this is an emotive subject however I do not believe animals come before the protection of humans, livestock, crops or property).
I also agree that we currently eat an inordinate amount of meat, especially processed meat, which is not a healthy option however in modern society the accepted norms and economic factors tend to make this the mainstay.
This is just my own personal opinion and know it won’t be for everyone.
I take no issue with anyone’s personal choice vegan, vegetarian, omnivore, carnivore (ok maybe you lot that have double soy, low fat, mocha, frappa lattes)
The one thing that has frustrated me with this thread is that the main advocate of veganism, although making some valid points and respecting his personal views, seems to be on a crusade and comes across as something of a zealot.
Now personally I have always been in the each to his own camp and don’t care if you are male/female, gay/straight/trans, Christian/Muslim/Hindu, black/white/pink/green or blue so long as you are not doing anything to harm me I really couldn’t care and am happy to listen to pretty much anything you may want to say but once I have and if I disagree I have absolutely no time for anyone who tries to force their beliefs on me, not agreeing with you doesn’t make anyone in any way inferior they simply don’t believe in something you do.
Anyway I think this has likely been my longest post/rant ever on here and I should probably quit whilst I’m ahead or else I will end up writing some sort of dissertation.
Thanks to all who have posted as it has been very thought provoking and, as you may have noticed, struck something of a cord.
Hamster
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