Tourniquet advice from a combat medic

[FerlasDave]

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@billycoen @Jared etc.

 

[Jared]

There is the European CPR guidelines.

ERC Guidelines

cprguidelines.eu

Their Basic Life Support posters are nice and concise.

 

[Corso]

I'm sorry that you think i'm wrong,but the information is from a front line medical professional,who had been doing the job for twenty years.Before Covid hit,the British Heart Foundation inline with the Resusitation Council put out a video starring Vinnie Jones,that stated the new guidelines of chest compressions only.

For the untrained but if you do a course you are still taught. Have done one? I'd recommend that over any YouTube video

 

[Pattree]

You can do CPR when you’ve sweated over Resussie Annie and groaned when the print out shows you pressed too hard on a couple of your compressions or over inflated on one of your breaths and you’ve got to do it all again.

One of the trainers, who was also an examiner could stop her own heart so she knew when you were not applying sufficient pressure to stop blood flow or were pretending to feel a pulse.

Totally agree - get training!

 

[FerlasDave]

Just to stir the pot a little more… What if the patient is either a child, or they are a victim of drowning?…

 

[Corso]

One of the trainers, who was also an examiner could stop her own heart so she knew when you were not applying sufficient pressure to stop blood flow or were pretending to feel a pulse.

Some people will believe anything...

 

[Pattree]

Nope. She would stop it and release it as part of her demo of pressure points. Before the Wizard of OZ gave me a tin heart I could slow mine down considerably and speed it up just a little.

Edited to add:
It’s not all that rare. There are Hindu ?priests? who do it as part of their rituals.

 

[Broch]

Nope. She would stop it and release it as part of her demo of pressure points. Before the Wizard of OZ gave me a tin heart I could slow mine down considerably and speed it up just a little.

Edited to add:
It’s not all that rare. There are Hindu ?priests? who do it as part of their rituals.

There are competition rifle shooters that can do it

 

[TeeDee]

Just to stir the pot a little more… What if the patient is either a child, or they are a victim of drowning?…

The pessimist in me suggests they maybe too late.

 

[Corso]

Slow the heart rate or speeding it up is one thing, anyone can do that through the breathing techniques. Noone can stop their heart, or more importantly restart it on command.

There is of course the old trick with a squash ball in the arm pit that magicians use

But you believe what you want

 

[Broch]

The pessimist in me suggests they maybe too late.

TBH that's true of most CPR without an AED/defib.

If one is trained, breaths are still applied. They have to be applied for drowning.

 

[Broch]

Slow the heart rate or speeding it up is one thing, anyone can do that through the breathing techniques. Noone can stop their heart, or more importantly restart it on command.

There is of course the old trick with a squash ball in the arm pit that magicians use

But you believe what you want

Well, it depends what you mean by 'stop'. In my competition days I could remove one heart beat - so maybe that is 'slow'. But, you can believe what you want

 

[Corso]

Well, it depends what you mean by 'stop'. In my competition days I could remove one heart beat - so maybe that is 'slow'. But, you can believe what you want

I don't mean anything. Pattree brought it up, by saying they know somone who can stop their heart at will while being able to analyse a students ability to find a pulse or secure a tornaque correctly.

I just don't believe it

 

[TeeDee]

TBH that's true of most CPR without an AED/defib.

If one is trained, breaths are still applied. They have to be applied for drowning.

Sorry I was being somewhat pedantic. Surely if you are a victim of drowning you are dead - as in dead without any chance of resuscitation?. I mean -cause of death - Drowned. Not near drowned and then changed their minds.

Happy to be corrected.

 

[Broch]

I don't think that's how 'drowning' is defined because we are taught (at first aid classes) to apply resuscitation following 'drowning' - but I agree, it does seem an odd terminology.

Maybe, the full term is 'dead from drowning' and drowning is just the inhalation of water.

 

[Pattree]

I just don't believe it

I do not ask you to. I’m not an evangelist and I’m not selling a concept. I’m simply reporting my experience and that of many people passing through the Telford branch of Health & Safety Services ltd some 12 years ago.

 

[billycoen]

I at least tried not to include the Twilight Zone.

 

[Falstaff]

…… a tourniquet on the airway is not recommended.

But Doc, it keep them quiet, stops the moaning...
I remember the Vinnie Jones advert. Absolutely brilliant, body slung along the floor, "Staying Alive, Staying Alive" beat for the Comps.

 

[Pattree]

I remember that one. At my training centre we had to sing Nelly the Elephant. Three years later on the refresher we had to sing two verses because the protocol had changed.

 

[FerlasDave]

I remember that one. At my training centre we had to sing Nelly the Elephant. Three years later on the refresher we had to sing two verses because the protocol had changed.

To be fair, two verses equates to exactly 30 compressions. That’s how I have done it since my first cpr course as a young teenager.