Three mystery plants

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Harvestman

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Was showing a young lad around a woodland today, pointing out cramp balls, different tree types, ramsons and so forth, but me three plants that I couldn't identify. I wonder if anyone here can help. All three plants found in an ash-dominated wood with a ground flora of ramsons, bluebell, cuckoo pint, hartstongue fern and dog's mercury.

1. Definitely a garden escape and non-native species. But what is it?
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2. I'm sure I've seen this before, but can't remember what it is. There was a good localised group of them.
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3. The most confusing of all. Looks like cleavers, and stuck to skin and clothes in the same way too, but, too big, too coarse, too dark, too purple, and too early. One plant also had a single hard black berry, about the size of an elderberry. The actual cleavers are only and inch or two high at this point.
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All help (and guesses) much appreciated.
 

Kepis

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First one - not a scoobys
Second one - Wood Spurge by the looks of it
Third one - looks like Fragrant Bedstraw, but probably not
 

Harvestman

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Wood spurge! Of course! :slap:

Starting to think that my mystery bedstraw might be wild madder, which my book says in an evergreen, found mainly near the sea. The county distribution fits too.

Still dunno about the first one though.
 

Kepis

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Wild madder would fit looking at it, the it certainly matches the description i have for it in my book here with the black berry
 

Harvestman

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Number 3 is definitely a bedstraw. I think it is probably wild madder, unless someone can contradict me with confidence. I've never seen madder, but the descriptions in my books fit.
 

wicca

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The first one looks a bit like hymalayan something

I had a double look at Himalayan Balsam, but I don't think it is quite right. Flower shape ( unless there's more petals to open) and extremely early too. Quite a bit in the hedgerows round here and not a sign of flower yet.
 

Toddy

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Number three is wild madder......you need a massive amount of roots to get much colour. It is a good colour though; if you work it with ammonia.
Is the land on limestone ?
Many of the bedstraws are protected species though, and often they grow on SSSi's.

M
 

wicca

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Adding to the above...Are they old flowers Harvestman? I mean survived the winter perhaps. If so, perhaps it is H/Balsam that's lost some of the flower head...
Just guessing..:)
 

Harvestman

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Number 1 is not Himalayan balsam. This is a shrub, woody, about 6 feet tall, maybe a bit more. Himalayan balsam is destroyed on sight if the patch is small enough.

Yes, Mary, the soil is limestone. The site is not a SSSI, but the bit across the road is, and the other side of the valley is also a nature reserve.
 

wicca

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" about 6 feet tall, maybe a bit more."...:) You can say that again. This lot I photographed last Summer was about 8 feet tall and formed a thick hedge along the lane...:D

Edit spelling..
 

British Red

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That looks more likely mountainy man - certainly its all wrong for Himilayan Balsam (Impatiens glandulifera). I have been battling that for years and the flower is all wrong
 

mountainy man

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It's also called phesant berry, Its a shame that the hymailayan balsam is so invasive as its a lovely plant. I know a tributary of the Shannon not far from here and in the summer the banks are infested with the stuff, the mind boggles with how the hell it got there.
 

British Red

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It has explosive seed heads that are edible. Surprising the number of birds etc. that like them. Once one gets dropped, it self seeds like crazy! Took me three years to break the back of it, still pops up now and again. Evil stuff.
 

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