Think I got gallstones ?

[sandsnakes]

So a doctor with a generally recognised medical qualification then? Because, looking at various naturopathy websiites, it appears that this is not a requirement. eg http://www.naturopathy-uk.com/home/main/ http://www.naturopathy-anp.com/

To be honest, I have my doubts. When recommending "treatments" like homeopathy ( The practitioner may use the specialised disciplines of homeopathy, herbalism, and acupuncture (Traditional Chinese Medicine), in addition to a variety of physical therapies ) it enters the world of fantasy, not medicine. As for traditional Chinese medicine, I wouldn't tell the WWF you're a supporter of it, seeing as their active ingredients tend to include a number of highly endangered species

Interesting, but not an organisation I am aware of. Uk Naturopthy is not Chinese Medicine, Chinese Medicine is Chinese medicine!

Qualified Naturopaths attend recognised colleges and obtain appropriate qualifications. That is why i pointed out 'qualified to administer a naturopthic protocol'. Which a GP may very well not be able to do.

 

[shaggystu]

I had one a decade ago, doctor gave me this pill and told me to drink lots of water. Fearing the pain I did, down half a litre of water, ran to the toilet and it shot right out.... Didn't feel a thing, the pill had completely numbed me. Turned my pee opaque sunshine yellow though for two days.

i'm confused now, we are still talking about pandas here aren't we

 

[Andy BB]

Interesting, but not an organisation I am aware of. Uk Naturopthy is not Chinese Medicine, Chinese Medicine is Chinese medicine!

Qualified Naturopaths attend recognised colleges and obtain appropriate qualifications. That is why i pointed out 'qualified to administer a naturopthic protocol'. Which a GP may very well not be able to do.

Surprised you don't recognise two of the leading naturopathy organisations I listed above! How many of them are there?

Is this a 6-7 year full-time course, in line and covering all the topics recognised medical professionals have to learn? If not - and I strongly suspect that is the case - how can they be "qualified" medical practitioners? For instance - are they able to prescribe drugs? Do they fully understand the huge range of pharmaceuticals out there, and the interactions herbal remedies can have with them? Do they have access to x-ray machines, scanners, scientific laboratories for blood, urine, tissue sample testing etc? Would they even understand the results of that testing?

Actually, I looked up the syllabi for the diploma and Post-grad courses - makes really interesting reading - see below:

Diploma Courses

CNM offers four diploma courses, as shown below. Please see Schedules for more info. Use the links below, or in the left menu, to review each specific course detail.

• Acupuncture
• Herbal Medicine
• Homeopathy
• Naturopathic Nutrition

Post-graduate Courses

Post-graduate courses are also available.

• Ear Acupuncture
• Iridology

Short Courses

We also offer short courses - the Holistic Massage and Reflexology courses are both ITEC certified. Use the links below, or in the left menu, to review each specific course detail.

• Holistic Massage (ITEC)
• Reflexology (ITEC)
• Kinesiology
• Cooking for Health
• Indian Head Massage
• Nutrition for Everyday Living
• Herbs for Everyday Living
• Homeopathy for Everyday Living
• Skincare
• Fertility and Pregnancy
• Fasting

Also interesting that- considering your differentiation between Chinese medicine and Naturopathy - the Naturopaths tend to disagree with you!

extract from their course notes
What is Naturopathic Nutrition?

Naturopathic Nutrition stresses the use of whole and organic foods as medicine - an integral concept of healing in many indigenous societies. Today, we see that a return to chemical-free foods, along with other dietary measures, is an effective answer to many health complaints and common conditions.
CNM students learn about the physiological and biochemical processes involved in nourishment, and the energetic side of food as well.
Thousands of years ago, master healers in China perceived a way to classify food and disease according to simple, easily observed patterns; one eats cooling foods for overheated conditions, and warming foods are best for people who feel too cold. Detoxifying foods are for those who carry an excess of toxins, and building foods are good for deficient persons, and so on.
The traditional Chinese and East Indian Ayurvedic systems have been used with pinpoint accuracy to diagnose disease conditions, and to categorise foods as medicine.
The CNM Diploma Course in naturopathic nutrition brings together authentic traditions of Oriental medicine with current, Western research-based nutrition.
"


Same with their Herbal Medicine course.

[h=4]Why Study Herbal Medicine with The CNM?[/h]The CNM Herbal Medicine Diploma Course provides high quality training that equips graduates to build successful practices. It is carefully structured so each study unit builds on the previous one, allowing students to develop their confidence and skills, and reach their full potential as professional Herbalists. Students are strongly encouraged to develop their own unique style of consultation and application.
One of the strengths of The College of Naturopathic Medicine course is that we draw on a variety of herbal traditions: we have expert lecturers in western, Ayurvedic (Indian) and Chinese herbal medicine.
Students study the energetic models of these systems, allowing them to make a multi–faceted, holistic diagnosis. Graduates can draw on a wide variety of herbs from different traditions, helping them to provide the best possible treatment for their patients.
Studying Herbal Medicine at the CNM means that upon graduating, you are not only a Herbalist but also have a good grounding in Naturopathic Nutrition, First Aid Homeopathy, Chinese diagnostics, Bach Flowers, Tissue Salts, Naturopathy and Iridology. You’ll be a specialist in Herbal Medicine and you will be able to apply a number of other therapeutic and diagnostic tools to help your patients.

 

[santaman2000]

Surprised you don't recognise two of the leading naturopathy organisations I listed above! How many of them are there?

Is this a 6-7 year full-time course, in line and covering all the topics recognised medical professionals have to learn? If not - and I strongly suspect that is the case - how can they be "qualified" medical practitioners? For instance - are they able to prescribe drugs? Do they fully understand the huge range of pharmaceuticals out there, and the interactions herbal remedies can have with them? Do they have access to x-ray machines, scanners, scientific laboratories for blood, urine, tissue sample testing etc? Would they even understand the results of that testing?....

I'm a bit confused. The qualifications you describe sound like a doctor. But the time (6-7 years) to get them sound more like a veterinarian. A people doctor (over here at least) takes 10 years study. 4 years at university getting a bachelor's degree in Pre-med, then another 4 in medical scool getting their doctorate (MD) and another 2 years internship before being allowed to take the medical exams in whatever state they intend to practice. If they go into research or forensic medicine rather than practice on living patients, they can skip the exams.

 

[Andy BB]

I'm a bit confused. The qualifications you describe sound like a doctor. But the time (6-7 years) to get them sound more like a veterinarian. A people doctor (over here at least) takes 10 years study. 4 years at university getting a bachelor's degree in Pre-med, then another 4 in medical scool getting their doctorate (MD) and another 2 years internship before being allowed to take the medical exams in whatever state they intend to practice. If they go into research or forensic medicine rather than practice on living patients, they can skip the exams.

I didn't want to set the bar too high

 

[santaman2000]

I didn't want to set the bar too high

LOL. Perhaps that's a good idea.

For that matter there are lesser qualified alternatives here as well. Registered Nurses can (and often do) get a bit more education and go into practice as a "Practicing Nurse" or "Nurse Practitioner" under the indirect supervision of a full doctor. They diagnose and treat more routine ailments; but they cain't precribe drugs (at least not in Florida) They do prescribe in reality, they just get the doctors signature on the prescription.

Likewise a "Physician's Assistant" practices similarly but does his/her education as such from the start without becoming qualified as a Registered Nurse first.

 

[sandsnakes]

This started about a conversation about gall stones. My comment was valid, in essence dont do something from the net, seek the appropriate advice. The advice being a qualification in natural medicine if you are goind to do a natural medicine procedure.

Once again it has drifted down to the old chesnut of the only opinion that is valid is what is accepted and 'main stream orthodoxy of the moment'.

Fellow bushcrafters where are your open, if not non-condeming minds? As one person is fond of saying 'quackery', let us not all drift into 'bigotry' as well. It is easy to attack across the net and post alsorts of things we dont agree with. The truth or practice of healing does not reside in a single corner of medicine, it is fairly evenly spread.

S

 

[santaman2000]

This started about a conversation about gall stones. My comment was valid, in essence dont do something from the net, seek the appropriate advice. The advice being a qualification in natural medicine if you are goind to do a natural medicine procedure.

Once again it has drifted down to the old chesnut of the only opinion that is valid is what is accepted and 'main stream orthodoxy of the moment'.....

It's drifted into that discussion, yes. But from the diversity of answers I think the opinions are somewhat more spread out.

 

[John Fenna]

This started about a conversation about gall stones. My comment was valid, in essence dont do something from the net, seek the appropriate advice. The advice being a qualification in natural medicine if you are goind to do a natural medicine procedure.

Once again it has drifted down to the old chesnut of the only opinion that is valid is what is accepted and 'main stream orthodoxy of the moment'.

Fellow bushcrafters where are your open, if not non-condeming minds? As one person is fond of saying 'quackery', let us not all drift into 'bigotry' as well. It is easy to attack across the net and post alsorts of things we dont agree with. The truth or practice of healing does not reside in a single corner of medicine, it is fairly evenly spread.

S

Very well put!

 

[Andy BB]

Fair comment. I opened a separate thread to look at the other topic, so perhaps we'd better leave it alone on this one!