The Rise and Fall of the Plastic Bag
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Okay, got two Vulcans....its seems to be a lot of fuel for shopping, but what do I do now?
On the plus side I have developed a tidy rack though
Brings a whole new meaning to 'making a tit of oneself'!
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Hey, two Vulcan females, one for the front and one for the back and they can carry the shopping. Don't knock it till you've tried it. Ha, I though that would make your ears *****!
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I get a female walking behind of course....but in front????
Hubba hubba, makes me want to take up LARPing.
The one with the nice rear goes at the front and the other brings up the rear! That way you get a warning of punji sticks and dead fall traps. If she falls over a cliff then she can Klingon! And of course when it comes to wild animals, you don't need to be a fast runner, just faster than the Vulcan behind you! It is only logical. As for mid-air refueling of Vulcans, I think you have to be a mile high for that!
Is it only me or is the flash of a Vulcan's underbelly slightly erotic?
What line?
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If you swing it hard enough you can hit a hoodie at 60 paces. Then they were the last person to touch it, and are fully responsible for it's proper disposal
Jolene Blalock is certainly 'ding dong' in my books
Vacuum sealers are popular with some of us here but they waste a lot of plastic too.
Vacuum sealers are popular with some of us here but they waste a lot of plastic too.
I've also used the bags to clean up the dog poo; but why on earth do you keep it?
Jolene Blalock is certainly 'ding dong' in my books
Vacuum sealers are popular with some of us here but they waste a lot of plastic too.
I don't think she has been vacuum sealed, I think it is just a very well tailored uniform! Or is that not what you meant?
I'm not sure of the merits of vacuum sealing dog poop either unless of course you DO DO want to keep it!
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Some supermarkets here are switching towards the vacuum wrapped packages (cryovac) here as well. But as of now, the majority is still wrapped in the Cling wrap on the aforementioned styro trays.
I think I could probably buy enough in one go for a life time, or more likely two or three life times and still have enough left to feed my family for another three generations...
Cryovac is not new, been around thirty plus years, certainly from my first jobs in supermarkets, common enough practise certainly in the UK for big lumps of meat prior to the breaking down for the consumer into manageable pieces .
Cling wrap styrofoam is well behind the times to be honest certainly in the UK. The USA is no longer the 'world leader' it was and is playing catchup in many ways to Europe.
Cling wrap styrofoam is well behind the times to be honest certainly in the UK. The USA is no longer the 'world leader' it was and is playing catchup in many ways to Europe.
Oh, you've not been following the Thunderbolts Project on Youtube have you?
Copernicus and Galileo eat your heart out, Ptolemy is dead! Everything is about to change, the Earth is no longer the centre of the Universe. Everything we thought we knew, we didn't.
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Oh you're perfectly correct that it's been around for decades for shipping to the supermarket (here as well) But only in the last five years or so have the meat packers been cryovacing packages in sizes that can simply be placed into the coolers for direct sales (without said "breaking down") It's been used a little longer if shopping in the warehouse stores for bulk buys.
TBH I don't think they thought the consumers would accept the idea at first, but now the stores like the prepackaged cryopacs better for two reasons:
1. They can eliminate the cost associated with an on site meat cutter
2. By buying prepacked from the supplier and never actually handling the meats themselves, they insulate themselves from liability to lawsuits over contaminated goods.
I agree - the research that exists is spotty. Such research as does exist also points to most alternatives to disposable carrier bags being more environmentally damaging in the long term. So - on that we agree.
Is scanty evidence that points to a new law being environmentally damaging a reason to pass that law? I think not.
I have yet to see anyone point to a single, solitary piece of evidence based research that shows a benefit of the 5p charge. There are however reports (though incomplete) that points to the opposite being the case.
That seems to me sufficient reason to oppose a new law until some rational, evidence based justification for it can be found. Laws should be based on logic and facts, not gut feel and knee jerks.
The evidence based success of the 5p levy is shown by sales of bags in shops. Less bags sold = less bags sent to landfill or littered. Liek you said though that is pretty scanty evidence at best.
What I don't like is that the law was brought in for Ireland and Wales and has been hailed as a success based purely on the amount of plastic bags bought at supermarkets. While that makes great headline figures I haven't seen any figures on comparitive sales for other products like bin liners and pet waste bags to see if those have risen sharply which you would think would be crucial to the experiment. Whilst I'm all for reusable bags I think this should have been dealt with in a more thorough manner.
What I don't like is that the law was brought in for Ireland and Wales and has been hailed as a success based purely on the amount of plastic bags bought at supermarkets. While that makes great headline figures I haven't seen any figures on comparitive sales for other products like bin liners and pet waste bags to see if those have risen sharply which you would think would be crucial to the experiment. Whilst I'm all for reusable bags I think this should have been dealt with in a more thorough manner.
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