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Bushwhacker · May 4, 2012

Bushwhacker said:
Is there any point in talking about this unless someone is actually going to do it?
If not, then this is just another "Room 101" thread.

johnboy said:
Were on an Internet forum.... So there is every point in talking about this even if no one is going to do it.

Ivan... · May 4, 2012

Fair comment Hilts , good idea for a caffeine hit , you don't want to hear those immortal words "Hilts cooler " Ok then lets just have a meet near Christmas then , suits me the heaviest item i carry is beer ..

Retired Member southey · May 4, 2012

I am already in the Cooler!

British Red · May 4, 2012

Both good films, but if you have never seen in - watch Tom Horn - arguably one of his best films (and a good, based on fact, Western too)

Sappy · May 4, 2012

Just out of interest and i suppose its related.

If you could only have one rucksack off stuff and the only food you had was pemmican. Combining pemmican with fasting you could last a serious amount of time unless something other than starvation got you first.

When you fast you can lose a heck of a lot of fat and possibly muscle, what better way to build up your fat reserves than just eating fat and protein to repair muscle. Then begin fasting again.

Carbohydrates are good for a boost but probably the first one to get rid of. Think its ketosis when you dont eat carbs but there isnt massive problems with it.

You could possibly get away with a 2 week fast folliwed by 2 weeks of pemmican to rebuild stocks then repeat till you run out or resupply.

Vitamins and minerals arent a massive problem most of the year.

If you had a gun, the amount of times you bump into deer while walking you could probably take a few, combine that with a massive trapline when you stop, and having the psychological ability to eat rats mice, worms, spiders, woodlouse etc

You might not do to bad if you can keep your cycle, breaking the cycle would most likely kill you.

So whos giving it a try?

Retired Member southey · May 4, 2012

British Red said:
Both good films, but if you have never seen in - watch Tom Horn - arguably one of his best films (and a good, based on fact, Western too)

Ordered! cheers Red!

Ivan... · May 4, 2012

Well, i sort of posed the question myself , i would give it a go , but in all honesty preferably in the warmer months , easier foraging , comfort etc etc ,but as stated work family commitments etc are going to conspire against the few prepared to have a go..

johnboy · May 4, 2012

Bushwhacker said:
Gets boring after a while.

Pah you've only been here since 2008.....

Do a search on Ventile or which is the bestest knife etc.....That's repetition.....

Retired Member southey · May 4, 2012

Hahahaha In fact look at the very post available!

Retired Member southey · May 4, 2012

Here you go !

Post number one

9InchNinja · May 4, 2012

How much beer can I take with me? With enough beer I can last forever. FOREVER I TELL YOU!

horsevad · May 4, 2012

Sappy said:
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Experience has taught me that i feel a hell of a lot betteer not eating at all than eating 1 rabbit a day, my 1 rabbit a day experiment was one of the worst experiences of my life

Proteine poisoning.

Over a prolonged period of time (several days/weeks) it can lead to death.

Avoid eating proteine if you do not have access to either carbohydrates or fat.

This condition was first described by Vilhjalmur Stefansson. He coined the term "Rabbit Starvation"

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As to foraging in a prolonged scenario, Lynx Wilden teaches some courses where the participiants head of into the Rockies with only stone-age tools and establish a small hunter-gatherer society for the following weeks or months.

And dr. Andre-Francois Bourbeau actually did his doctoral thesis on primitive wilderness survival techniques. To provide research material for the thesis he did a 31 day experiment i 1984, where he was dropped of the in canadian wilderness with no equipment or tools.

Bourbeau were later to write a book about the experience "Surviethon au Gré de la Nature"

I would consider this book a must-read for anyone slightly interested in foraging.

//Kim Horsevad

blacktimberwolf · May 4, 2012

Bushwhacker said:
Is there any point in talking about this unless someone is actually going to do it?
If not, then this is just another "Room 101" thread.

More a wishful thinking one..................can't stop men from over estimating themselves though..

para106 · May 4, 2012

Anyway, I'll let you all know how I get on with a solo week in Lincolnshire in June. I'm off for a weeks fishing. The nearest civilisation is at least a mile away & the bog sometimes runs out of bog roll allegedly. I'm roughing it in a Hilleberg Nammatj 3GT, 2 tarps, several stoves, Vapalux M320, 50ltr Yeti Coolbox filled with essential food & drink, camp bed, sleeping bag, assorted sharps, GB axe, the world's supply of fishing tackle & meths & paraffin. It'll be Hell, I know, but I feel it's something that I just have to do........

Oh I forgot - torch, IPod, binos & Kindle.

Sappy · May 4, 2012

@ Horsevad

I'm not sure what i was was experiencing was protein poisoning for two reasons, must mention my experiment only lasted 10 days before a combination of diet fatigue and hunger stopped it.

Firstly rabbit starvation is when you could eat 10 rabbits and still be hungry, i was eating one a day and my hunger was alleviated for an hour our so afterwards only to come back with a vengeance.

Secondly, rabbits do have a small amount of fat under the skin but this is lost when you skin it, i didnt skin it just singed the fur off and cooked it to preserve the fat.

I'm pretty sure if i could get 3 or 4 a day prepared with that method i would be fine until diet fatigue got me. Eating only one meant near constant hunger so i would have been far better off not eating anything.

Given the scenario it go's to show you would need to overcome your food prejudice in regards to what youd eat.

British Red · May 4, 2012

para106 said:
Anyway, I'll let you all know how I get on with a solo week in Lincolnshire in June. I'm off for a weeks fishing. The nearest civilisation is at least a mile away & the bog sometimes runs out of bog roll allegedly. I'm roughing it in a Hilleberg Nammatj 3GT, 2 tarps, several stoves, Vapalux M320, 50ltr Yeti Coolbox filled with essential food & drink, camp bed, sleeping bag, assorted sharps, GB axe, the world's supply of fishing tackle & meths & paraffin. It'll be Hell, I know, but I feel it's something that I just have to do........ Oh I forgot - torch, IPod, binos & Kindle.

If you need rescuing in Lincs, we'll come and drag you out of the mud

oldtimer · May 4, 2012

Depends how you define wilds. On one definition, I've managed 70 years and six months so far. On another with my wife and two boys 10 weeks but we got re-supplied from time to time and years later the boys still complain about the boring food.

Dreadhead · May 4, 2012

Sappy said:
@ Horsevad

I'm not sure what i was was experiencing was protein poisoning for two reasons, must mention my experiment only lasted 10 days before a combination of diet fatigue and hunger stopped it.

Firstly rabbit starvation is when you could eat 10 rabbits and still be hungry, i was eating one a day and my hunger was alleviated for an hour our so afterwards only to come back with a vengeance.

Secondly, rabbits do have a small amount of fat under the skin but this is lost when you skin it, i didnt skin it just singed the fur off and cooked it to preserve the fat.

I'm pretty sure if i could get 3 or 4 a day prepared with that method i would be fine until diet fatigue got me. Eating only one meant near constant hunger so i would have been far better off not eating anything.

Given the scenario it go's to show you would need to overcome your food prejudice in regards to what youd eat.

could it be because theres no iron in rabbit meat? so eating but still having a major iron defficiency? must take its toll. good ole QI :lmao:

being realisitic i dont think i would survive very long at all. when the food runs out and i start losing my mind i would be useless at hunting and gathering...

Q'eyh · May 4, 2012

[I messed my quoting up a bit, but someone asked if anyone had been in the wild for a month or more]

I didn't claim anything, but I stayed out over 3 months from Nov 2008 to the end of Feb 2009 in Western Scotland. Total budget for everything, including gear and food was less than 300 pounds. I came back in rude health but developed bronchitis a few weeks after.

I think it depends on your personality, i just don't care about many of the things that drive people to distraction when out in the bush. I was 21 at the time so maybe that had something to do with it :lmao:

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There seems to be an obsession with "when I run out of X... I will die" kind of thing. I really don't think that's the case, it's just my opinion of course, but i think having a clear head is by far the biggest factor. One of the key things that defines humanity is using abstract thought to solve problems. As long as you do that there's no set limit in my eyes. That said there's no accounting for luck.

rik_uk3 · May 4, 2012

johnboy said:
Pah you've only been here since 2008.....

Do a search on Ventile or which is the bestest knife etc.....That's repetition.....

If we did a sticky on the commonly repeated questions/threads Tony could cut his forum bandwidth down by half

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