The Covid19 Thread

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Just an example: clouds are made of water drops of aerosol size, they stay up there fairly well. Unless the drops start growing to the size where gravity takes over and they start coming down at a speed max of 9-10 m/s depending on size.
 

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Like that damn chinese army, too big really inefficient , even them damned covid medics! Trouble is with the nhs is you pay for what you get, 2008 comes and the chokers are back on, every 2 years there is a "review" in the nhs for efficiency or failings. More money in for a long enough period and stop meddling. Efficiency and savings are not compatable with life saving medical intervention.

I didn't mention savings.

Efficiency is paramount to life saving medical intervention.

It's not just a word used for saving money
 

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I remember reading about a few US police cases where some court or another decided that the police does not have much duty to protect an individual but the "society" what ever that means in the context. Anyhow I don't understand the partly politicized court system.
 
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"The US has recorded its highest daily number of coronavirus cases, with more than 63,643 infections confirmed on Friday.

Friday also saw 774 covid deaths, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

More than three million people have tested positive for the virus in the US since the pandemic began.

Twenty-nine states have seen an increase in new cases compared to last week, according to CNN. Nine have had record single-day infections: Alaska, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Louisiana, Montana, Ohio, Utah and Wisconsin, Reuters reports.

Texas and Florida are among the worst hit states in the country.

Florida recorded 11,433 new cases on Friday. In Miami-Dade county, 28% of people who took tests were confirmed to have the virus.

Last week, leading US health official Dr Anthony Fauci warned that daily confirmed cases could reach 100,000."
 

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At any rate, I certainly hope those areas with communal water retain the ability to shut off service to deadbeats. Whether it be a government owned system (such as here in Crestview) or a private organization.
I have to admit to total shock at this attitude.
Where is your humanity?
Water is the most important thing to maintain life at the most basic level.
The fact that you label people deadbeat and then say they shouldn't be able to have water is awful .
You are basically condemning another human being to die because they do not measure up to your idea of a good American.
They are still human beings for all that.
I bet you'd give water to a thirsty dog... would you ask it to pay?
Sorry if I sound a bit outspoken but I realy am shocked to my core that anyone could say that even as a joke.
If that is a typical proud American attitude .... you can keep it!
I'm very glad I'm British and have some humanity.
Go and work with the homeless, it might give you a different perspective.
It seems a realy smug attitude and to be honest just because you are down and out it doesn't mean you are a deadbeat.
I totaly agree with Toddy.
I'm sorry I'm not as subtle, but then I'm a plain speaker.
That is the most uncharitable sentence I've ever heard.... and I've heard plenty!
Shamefull !
 
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I have to admit to total shock at this attitude.
Where is your humanity?...

I'm very glad I'm British and have some humanity.

Where was your humanity when you said this?
It's just as disgraceful a comment to have made as the one you're condemning.

About the only business that is booming is funeral directors.
I bet they're rubbing their hands in glee with this idea.
 

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I'm fast going off America! I have family that I've never met on the other side of the pond, several pen pals and always wanted to visit.
I realy am no longer tempted.
 

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Where was your humanity when you said this?
It's just as disgraceful a comment to have made as the one you're condemning.

Do you know how much a funeral costs?
I've buried 5 members of my family in a 3 yr period. It cost more money than I had even with prepayment plans. I'm still paying them off though that ends in august and can't afford a prepayment plan for myself, not if I want to have ano sort of life beyond eating and sleeping.
 

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I lived in The US for a long time ago and went to school there, then not a bad place to visit but I have never felt the urge to move there.
 

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Do you know how much a funeral costs?
I've buried 5 members of my family in a 3 yr period. It cost more money than I had even with prepayment plans. I'm still paying them off though that ends in august and can't afford a prepayment plan for myself, not if I want to have ano sort of life beyond eating and sleeping.

Yes I do, my father was buried 3 months ago and regardless of the cost of that to me and my family what you said was still disgraceful.
 

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I think it's more disgraceful to condone denying people water to live.
I understand that you may be feeling raw at the death of your dad all too well. And I'm very sorry that I upset you.
I've lost both parents a brother a son and partner.
I understand that may have hit a nerve with you. But it was a bit of black humour.
Sometimes it gets you through.
Provided of course nobody jumps on me for being racist by my black humour remmark!
 
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I didn't mention savings.

Efficiency is paramount to life saving medical intervention.

It's not just a word used for saving money
How is the size of an organisation reducing the capacity for "efficient " life saving medical intervention ? I assume you mean how efficiently a single doctor can intervene when the word "efficiency" is used in relation to time ?
 

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"The US has recorded its highest daily number of coronavirus cases, with more than 63,643 infections confirmed on Friday.

Friday also saw 774 covid deaths, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

More than three million people have tested positive for the virus in the US since the pandemic began.

Twenty-nine states have seen an increase in new cases compared to last week, according to CNN. Nine have had record single-day infections: Alaska, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Louisiana, Montana, Ohio, Utah and Wisconsin, Reuters reports.

Texas and Florida are among the worst hit states in the country.

Florida recorded 11,433 new cases on Friday. In Miami-Dade county, 28% of people who took tests were confirmed to have the virus.

Last week, leading US health official Dr Anthony Fauci warned that daily confirmed cases could reach 100,000."
Don’t worry: you’ll catch up.
 

santaman2000

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I have to admit to total shock at this attitude.
Where is your humanity?
Water is the most important thing to maintain life at the most basic level.
The fact that you label people deadbeat and then say they shouldn't be able to have water is awful .
You are basically condemning another human being to die because they do not measure up to your idea of a good American.
They are still human beings for all that.
I bet you'd give water to a thirsty dog... would you ask it to pay?
Sorry if I sound a bit outspoken but I realy am shocked to my core that anyone could say that even as a joke.
If that is a typical proud American attitude .... you can keep it!
I'm very glad I'm British and have some humanity.
Go and work with the homeless, it might give you a different perspective.
It seems a realy smug attitude and to be honest just because you are down and out it doesn't mean you are a deadbeat.
I totaly agree with Toddy.
I'm sorry I'm not as subtle, but then I'm a plain speaker.
That is the most uncharitable sentence I've ever heard.... and I've heard plenty!
Shamefull !
Of course they should have water. And they should pay their fair share. I’m equally glad you have a sense of humanity. It’s the sense of personal responsibility for one’s well being that seems missing. Shutting off their water is just a wake up call: “Het deadbeat! Pay your bill that you’ve been ignoring.” Water is left on until the recipient has been delinquent for at least two full months (3 months in many areas) That would be more than enough time for any diligent individual to find aid to pay hos bill.
 
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santaman2000

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Do you know how much a funeral costs?
I've buried 5 members of my family in a 3 yr period. It cost more money than I had even with prepayment plans. I'm still paying them off though that ends in august and can't afford a prepayment plan for myself, not if I want to have ano sort of life beyond eating and sleeping.
About $10,000 to $15,000 if you do a traditional funeral from scratch. On the other hand if you’re using the same family plots that‘ve been owned for generations then the site was paid for over a century ago: go for a green funeral (no embalming) and a simple wooden casket and you cut total cost down to about $3300 (($3000 for the casket and $300 to open and close the grave)

I live in a cheaper cost of living area so I maintain a term life policy for $10,000 (much cheaper premiums than most”prepaid” plans.
 

santaman2000

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.........I think it's more disgraceful to condone denying people water to live.......
I hope you’re prepared for what’s likely coming within the next couple of generations. If the projected population growth and effects of climate change are anywhere near accurate the world will be running out of water by then. The next war at that time will likely be fought over water.
 

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Of course they should have water. And they should pay their fair share. I’m equally glad you have a sense of humanity. It’s the sense of personal responsibility for one’s well being that seems missing.
It's pointless to argue. It will just get nasty and I realy don't want that. But I just don't see how you can justify tarring everyone with the same brush.
Not everyone has the same chances in life. Sometimes things go belly up for no fault of their own.
I've worked in a homeless centre as a volunteer for a summer and I can assure you there were many reasons for being homeless from poor mental health to bereavement and loss of a job or divorce or having been in care and thrown onto the streets at sixteen with no life experience, aswell as abuse.
Life has a way of hitting you when you are down and sometimes try as you might it's hard to pick yourself up again.
Not impossible but damm hard when you can't shower or simply afford water to drink.
I've been through this myself, and been hungry and cold and thirsty. The struggle is almost impossible without help.
I was very lucky and had help at the right moment to be able to improve my life. Not everyone gets that and sometimes it comes too late.
Water is the staff of life. Take that away and you have taken away any chance of being able to even hold on let alone improve things.
I guess we see things differently, to be expected I suppose. But I cannot see how cutting of someone's water because they can't pay for some reason is not a society I would like to live in.
Have you ever contributed to water aid to provide free water to help people in Africa have free safe water? Or do you think drinking from contaminated puddles and other water sources is OK in a 1st world country?

Anyway this is a thread about covid so I'll stop there and hopefully someone can return the thread to its origional idea.
 

santaman2000

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.......Paranoia over 'government' provision of basic amenities means that a huge part of your population become 'water poor'. That means that in this pandemic they can't even wash themselves at home. They cannot wash clothes, they literally have to risk their health just to have to fetch water for drinking, preparing food, and cleaning up.........
Paranoia? That infers fear of government providing basics. No, it’s not fear. Rather an outright hatred of any system that makes individuals forget personal responsibility and become dependent on the state (read socialism in any form) Such systems are abhorrent in and of themselves.

No access if the government doesn’t provide it? Seriously? Have you never had your own well? You don’t “fetch” water” you drill the simple 2 I’m h diameter well, place a pump over it, and connect it to your household plumbing just exactly the same way most truly rural homes have been doing for almost 2 centuries (only the modern pumps are vastly cheaper and more efficient) Oryou do the way the Florida Keys (approximately 48,000 people at the time) did all the way up until the 1960s: catch rainwater drainoff from your rooftops and store it in a cistern and use the same pumps the well owners do to pump it into household plumbing (the Keys are coral islands with no freshwater wells) As I said, they did this until the 1960s simply because there was no freshwater source on the islands. The only reason they are off it now is because they piggyback on the Navy’s supply which is piped in from the mainland 110 miles away.

edited to correct misspelling typo.
 
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