The bright star thats shown up.

[Draven]

Run for the hills !!!!!

Now then, if we have 3 years to pack, what would you take and what would be the ideal grind for your bushcraft knife in the event of an end of the world type of day? :sad6: :yelrotflm

Full flat convexing into a hollow grind sharply turning into a wide scandi-like secondary bevel with a secondary microbevel, obviously

 

[HillBill]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZetaTalk

Bits of that are worth reading

Also see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_(dwarf_planet)

According to that, is about 27% larger than pluto and doesn't come closer than 37.9AU (astronomical units - 37.9 times farther from the sun than earth is) which is too far to see with the naked eye. As the wikipedia states, some (not all!) amateur astronomers may see it in good conditions...

As for the videos, I think they're largely a product of the fact that cameras have increasingly powerful zooms and higher resolutions, and most people still don't know how to use them properly, or when they're taking pictures/videos of the sky, certainly don't know how to use them to their full potential, and probably have entirely the wrong piece of equipment for the job. The first one doesn't show a "strange image", it shows diffraction rings... if it wasn't diffraction rings, for a camera zoom to enlarge an object that small in the sky that much that fast, it would probably have to be about 200ft away...

Pete

The one i see all the time and you will too if you go and look in south western direction, isn't no dodgy camera skills. Please if you can give me a 100% answer then that is why i started the thread, but please have a look for yourself or ask your dad to look tommorow night early evening. It rises in the sky so it can't be venus. Possibly jupiter, but would i not have seen it before if it is worldwide?

 

[Draven]

The one i see all the time and you will too if you go and look in south western direction, isn't no dodgy camera skills. Please if you can give me a 100% answer then that is why i started the thread, but please have a look for yourself or ask your dad to look tommorow night early evening. It rises in the sky so it can't be venus. Possibly jupiter, but would i not have seen it before if it is worldwide?

I did look but it's too overcast just now unfortunately I will definitely look with dad's scope as soon as I can, he checks the sky pretty much every night and our living room window luckily faces southwest

Can you actually see it coming over the horizon after nightfall? If so, it's not Jupiter, Jupiter is rising shortly before sunrise just now and setting before. Venus is setting about 4 hours after sunset and rising 4 after sunrise. If you can see it rising, is it rising in the southwest or is that just where you noticed it? If it's rising in anything other than the east, it's either a comet or an earthbound satellite, but that's about as certain as I can get without seeing exactly where it is - I'll make sure to keep an eye out and post when I do.

Btw I was referring to the zooming and claiming you see a "strange image" being dodgy camera skills, not the object in general

One thing to note when referring to planets is their location in relation to us AND the sun - not just in relation to the sun. Jupiter's orbit is about 4.2AU away from Earth's orbit - but seeing as Jupiter is near the sun in the sky, that means that jupiter is just about a full 6.2 AU away, not 4.2, making it harder to see. However, it is always "lit up" when we do see it because it's farther out than us. Venus, on the other hand, is closer in than us so the closer it is to the sun, the better lit it is - essentially, Venus is best seen when near the sun and far away from us - vice versa for Jupiter. Since the planets go through these "phases" of visibility, it's understandable to suddenly notice something you've not noticed before.

Pete

 

[HillBill]

It rises in the south south west and slowly moves west, but only a little, It does come over the horizon as i can see it.. i've noticed it after sunset, it is visible for a couple of hours at least which lends credence to the venus theory. All i have to do is open my front door and it is there. It has been there just as bright for weeks so no falling debris, it is getting bigger. It is really unusual, you will not miss it.

So Venus rises in the east? Jupiter before sunrise?

This is definately not them.

BTW Planet X is classed as a brown dwarf star with maybe a satelite or two.

 

[Draven]

It rises in the south south west and slowly moves west, but only a little, It does come over the horizon as i can see it.. i've noticed it after sunset, it is visible for a couple of hours at least which lends credence to the venus theory. All i have to do is open my front door and it is there. It has been there just as bright for weeks so no falling debris, it is getting bigger. It is really unusual, you will not miss it.

So Venus rises in the east? Jupiter before sunrise?

This is definately not them.

Venus does rise in the east, but it rises about 4 hours after the sun right now as well, so you won't see it rising - you'll only see it setting. Jupiter rises before sunrise, also in the east, about 30-45 minutes I think we worked out, and you won't see it setting.

Have you seen it set? After rising does it move across the sky?
It has to be a satellite of some sort - a comet wouldn't be visible in the same place so consistently I don't think, same goes for debris as you say. Just because of earth's direction of rotation, everything that is not orbiting earth at a speed greater than or equal to the speed of the earths rotation (speaking in degrees rather than mph or the like) will rise in the east and set in the west.

 

[HillBill]

Then we may have a problem. It has been seen worldwide for a couple of months. Waaaay too bright to be a satelite imo.
Once again have a look at the google results.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=strange+star+south+sky&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

 

[Draven]

About the brown dwarf suggestion - brown dwarfs start at about 2 jupiter masses, or over 600 times the mass of earth. If Eris is Planet X, Planet X is not a brown dwarf. I think it's very unlikely that a brown dwarf would exist near the kuiper belt and only have one or two satellites - Jupiter has over 60 IIRC and is half the minimum mass of a brown dwarf... if you could give a link about planet x being a brown dwarf, it would help.

 

[Barn Owl]

Can you clarify it's not something coming straight at us?

I have a real feel for 2012 being of significance to the populace,not necessarily teotwawki but a 'shift' of things,hopefully for the better but I have no faith in governments

That's just a gut feeling..may only be indegestion :theyareon

 

[gunslinger]

Have a google.
I just did and some of these sightings describing something identical to your description including the colours etc,are dated 2005 so I guess its not so unusual.

Try some of the serious astronomy forums and not the conspiracy sites.

Sorry cant help with its identity.

GS

 

[HillBill]

About the brown dwarf suggestion - brown dwarfs start at about 2 jupiter masses, or over 600 times the mass of earth. If Eris is Planet X, Planet X is not a brown dwarf. I think it's very unlikely that a brown dwarf would exist near the kuiper belt and only have one or two satellites - Jupiter has over 60 IIRC and is half the minimum mass of a brown dwarf... if you could give a link about planet x being a brown dwarf, it would help.

Unfortunately i can not. I read it last year. I did a google search but the only info comes from sites that i would not use for reference but a google search will show you what there is. I read it on NASA's website but the info along with much other planet x articles are gone. Though i just re read some text i cut and pasted and it says it has 5 satelites and a habitable (homeworld) planet.

It rises from a south west to west direction in the US

 

[Draven]

If the "brown dwarf" planet X is the same planet X that was allegedly messing with orbits, that was disproved IIRC.

The colour thing isn't too uncommon, I've seen it happen a few times when looking through telescopes and generally put it down to heatwaves (doesn't have to be hot, any difference in temperature can produce them, particularly relevent when looking at distant objects and/or through a scope) and/or other problems with having an atmosphere.

I haven't the foggiest idea how something could rist in the southwest and set in the west. That can't be natural. Note: not alien, just not natural I think that's a load of utter nonsense personally - either that or an airplane. Or possibly a seagull carrying an LED keychain.

 

[HillBill]

Have a google.
I just did and some of these sightings describing something identical to your description including the colours etc,are dated 2005 so I guess its not so unusual.

Try some of the serious astronomy forums and not the conspiracy sites.

Sorry cant help with its identity.

GS

I wasn't aware this was a conspiracy site? I came on here with the question to clarify what it was. I figured on a forum full of outdoorsmen having some knowledge i do not. I have seen it many times and i hope some on here have also, and can answer my question. But by the sounds of it, it's neither of the planets suggested by people who know more about it than i do.

 

[HillBill]

If the "brown dwarf" planet X is the same planet X that was allegedly messing with orbits, that was disproved IIRC.

The colour thing isn't too uncommon, I've seen it happen a few times when looking through telescopes and generally put it down to heatwaves (doesn't have to be hot, any difference in temperature can produce them, particularly relevent when looking at distant objects and/or through a scope) and/or other problems with having an atmosphere.

I haven't the foggiest idea how something could rist in the southwest and set in the west. That can't be natural. Note: not alien, just not natural I think that's a load of utter nonsense personally - either that or an airplane. Or possibly a seagull carrying an LED keychain.

I will ask you to reserve judgement until you see it personally. I am hoping for a solid explanation.

 

[Draven]

Well, I'll keep an eye out, and I'll try and take some pictures when I do. I'll track it as far as I can, too. Next time you see it would you mind getting its location with a compass (just degrees from north) and note down the time? Just to be sure that we're looking at the same one!

 

[HillBill]

I'll make that my evening tomorrow. I'll try get pics also.

Edit This is a thread from Janruary on David (cough) ickes site i just found it now it talks about the same thing from someone in NZ. I know his rep and its not his work so don't all start a debate on him.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51407

 

[OldFingersGreen]

been wandering about this the last couple of months, for the first time today i saw it before sunset, not sure what direction but it was very bright considering the sun was still up, it caught my eye because at first i thought it was the reflection from a plane but on closer inspection it was some sort of star/planet, just glowing very brightly.

i hope it is "nabiru" and this is the end of the world as we know it.... wouldn't want all these skills and equipment going to waste!

now then, apparently the contrasting gravitational fields will cause massive earthquakes, lots of volcaninc activity, tsunamis and huge floods everywhere. also possibly the polarity of the earth could change (as it does naturally every few thousand years) resulting in the mass failure of most modern aeroplanes and magnetic reliant electronics.

so, we want somewhere on high ground (but not a volcano), away from the coast and out of flight paths ( ) BUT we need a shelter that is earthquake proof.

i'd go for a simple hammock and tarp setup, between two saplings of sufficient height as larger trees are more likely to drop limbs.

i might even buy a shotgun to ward of those pesky aliens

 

[Draven]

Thought I'd point out that anyone interested in stargazing might like the program Stellarium. It's essentially a planetarium/starmap on your pc or mac. You can track planets, guide a telescope, view the planets/stars moving in realtime, or you can speed it up or reverse it. Best part? It's totally free.

I've no connection, just heard about it from my dad

Speaking of - you might be looking at Sirius. It's predominately visible in the southwest right now, as it rises before the sun sets. Tonight it will drop below the horizon at about 1am.

 

[HillBill]

Pasted from the above link.

Okay, theres a "star" (maybe planet, dunno) in the sky in the southern hemsiphere (NZ), visible in the west.

It is far brighter than sirius, and seems not to move with the rest of the stars (planet?). Its sorta white with a yellowish tinge. It doesnt pulse or anything.

None of the planets according to astronomy sites account for it. It doesnt "rise" or "fall", it is visible all night, and can be seen in twilight very early on. The only planet that is aroundup that time is saturn, and saturn is apparently not that bright, and even less bright right now than it normally is.

The star is massively obvious, and far brighter than any celestial object ive seen. I wish i had a telescope!

Can anyone with a clue about astronomy explain what this _extremely_ bright star is?

My cursory look at visible planets and bright stars yeilded nothing like it.



Kind of echo's my own thoughts really.

 

[Carbuncle]

HillBill,

This may be a daft question, but have you downloaded some free software like this http://www.stellarium.org/ - give it your location and time and it'll show you exactly what you should be seeing in any given direction. Then give us a feeling for where it was in relation to all the other stuff, and I can decide whether or not to head for the shelter or get blind drunk.

Cheers,

Carbuncle.

 

[Glen]

If it is big and bright and visible now and for the past 3 month then it could be

That rules that out then, Lulin's been visible to telescopes that long but not the naked eye.


PS the best grind for a buscraft knife in the event of cosmic catastraphies is a light sabre grind.