The best Bushcraft Knife UK vs US. Pictures please!

[Quixoticgeek]

+1 to what Julia said

The only things I've ever used the butt end of my knife for was to crack nuts or to bash along the length of stuff like nettles to break out the fibres for cordage.

M

I tend to use a piece of fire wood for both of these, about the only time I use my knife in a percussive manor is to crush garlic...

This all said, I do batton with my knives, even the little peasant. I think it would be interesting to add a quick "how long is it" to each of the blades featured in this thread. I wonder if there is a correlation of blade length with nationality and gender...

For completeness - Frost knife - 100mm; Peasant Mini - 67mm.

Julia

 

[tylerjwhite]

Do what? If you look at the design of the knives linked in this thread, there isn't really a shape to the handle that would make it sensible to use it as a hammer, let alone any reinforcing of the pommel. Why would you hammer with the knife handle?

By chance is this showing an increased influence of the prepper movement in the US, vs the UK?

Julia

I think the Preper movement could have something to do with it, since it's the idea of one tool to do all things.

What's your perspectives on the Preper movement? I just interviewed a few weeks ago with Sky news here about preping and the like.

 

[Quixoticgeek]

I think the Preper movement could have something to do with it, since it's the idea of one tool to do all things.

What's your perspectives on the Preper movement? I just interviewed a few weeks ago with Sky news here about preping and the like.

As with any movement or group it has it's fair share of Nutjobs and crackpots. It's also got some who speak sense and have some clue.

Personally, I think most of them are misguided at best.

I also get the impression that you have a greater number (as a proportion of the population) in .us than we do here in .uk due to greater levels of distrust in "government" within the US. Purely from an anthropology view point it would be interesting to see how the voting habits of preppers on both sides of the pond compare.

Part of bushcraft is that having the skills and knowledge to survive, be that in the bush or the urban jungle. So in that respect, without our own collections of tinned food, we've already made a step further towards "prepping" than the general population.

In the event of a breakdown in society, we're going to need people who can grow food, process a sheep for dinner, work iron, work wood, etc... I'm collecting these skills.

One thing that I find interesting is the way the first thing many preppers do (if the youtube videos and pictures on the web are to be believed), is collect a small arsenal of weapons, and a finite cache of ammunition. I've always wondered what they plan to do when the ammo runs out?

I've learned how to make and Fletch my own arrows, and hope to learn how to make my own bow in due course…

Julia

 

[tylerjwhite]

As with any movement or group it has it's fair share of Nutjobs and crackpots. It's also got some who speak sense and have some clue.

Personally, I think most of them are misguided at best.

I also get the impression that you have a greater number (as a proportion of the population) in .us than we do here in .uk due to greater levels of distrust in "government" within the US. Purely from an anthropology view point it would be interesting to see how the voting habits of preppers on both sides of the pond compare.

Part of bushcraft is that having the skills and knowledge to survive, be that in the bush or the urban jungle. So in that respect, without our own collections of tinned food, we've already made a step further towards "prepping" than the general population.

In the event of a breakdown in society, we're going to need people who can grow food, process a sheep for dinner, work iron, work wood, etc... I'm collecting these skills.

One thing that I find interesting is the way the first thing many preppers do (if the youtube videos and pictures on the web are to be believed), is collect a small arsenal of weapons, and a finite cache of ammunition. I've always wondered what they plan to do when the ammo runs out?

I've learned how to make and Fletch my own arrows, and hope to learn how to make my own bow in due course…

Julia

With a lead melter and a flintlock, all is possible. We just like guns. I love them. But they are for sport and hunting more than anything else. But yes there is a fine line between Preper, survivalist, and woodsman.

 

[tylerjwhite]

My Main users. joel Delorme Nessmuk, Gary Mills Timberwolf, Rob Evans Bushtool, Mark Hill M.0.R.A, A.wright and sons Woodlore clone. Some pictures of a few of them new and some of them on use:

The second from the left, what's it called? Who makes it? Where can I get one? How much?

 

[Quixoticgeek]

With a lead melter and a flintlock, all is possible. We just like guns. I love them. But they are for sport and hunting more than anything else. But yes there is a fine line between Preper, survivalist, and woodsman.

And when you run out of your lead stocks? Sure my approach is dependant on enough trees... but arrows tend to be reusable...

I think the line between prepper, survivalist and woodsman is generally one of attitude. Personally I consider myself a Bushcrafter or woodswoman, or more often just a Geek. But I do like to think if needed to, I would have an above average chance of survival...

The second from the left, what's it called? Who makes it? Where can I get one? How much?

If I am reading the makers mark correctly, it's made by R J Evans, and called the "bushtool". He doesn't have a website, but contact info can be found in this thread over at British Blades.

Julia

 

[santaman2000]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivalism



Well you can see the knife I carry in a previous post. If I am using metal pegs, I push them in with my foot, if I am using wooden pegs, I just pick up a bit of fire wood or a nearby branch. Wouldn't bother using a knife for that.

Julia

Yeah I know what prepper means. I was just repeating your question before answering it with the word "no." I spaced them too far apart and that lost clarity I'm afraid. As for pushing tentpegs in with your foot, well, so do I. When the soil is right. But that was only meant for an example, not the be all/end all of such uses.

+1 to what Julia said

The only things I've ever used the butt end of my knife for was to crack nuts or to bash along the length of stuff like nettles to break out the fibres for cordage.

M

So you hammer as well.

 

[santaman2000]

......One thing that I find interesting is the way the first thing many preppers do (if the youtube videos and pictures on the web are to be believed), is collect a small arsenal of weapons, and a finite cache of ammunition. I've always wondered what they plan to do when the ammo runs out?

I've learned how to make and Fletch my own arrows, and hope to learn how to make my own bow in due course…

Julia

The videos are depictions of egotists for the most part. The vast majority of the population doesn't even do the minimum "prepping" recommended by the government agencies for natural disasters. But those who do seriously prep know that they hope to never need to use their stockpile of ammo. If they do use it, they'll either lose the conflict (and not need more ammo) or win it and replenish their stocks from the losers'.

With a lead melter and a flintlock, all is possible. We just like guns. I love them. But they are for sport and hunting more than anything else. But yes there is a fine line between Preper, survivalist, and woodsman.

And when you run out of your lead stocks? Sure my approach is dependant on enough trees... but arrows tend to be reusable... QUOTE=tylerjwhite;1580396]

Lead is reusable also. And plentiful.

 

[Quixoticgeek]

The videos are depictions of egotists for the most part. The vast majority of the population doesn't even do the minimum "prepping" recommended by the government agencies for natural disasters. But those who do seriously prep know that they hope to never need to use their stockpile of ammo. If they do use it, they'll either lose the conflict (and not need more ammo) or win it and replenish their stocks from the losers'.

A curious quirk of British housing design means that many houses have a good 400-500L of water sat in the loft at any one time. So if there is an incident, turn off the stop cock to stop any contaminated water coming in, and be sensible with the water you have.

Food wise most houses inadvertently have enough tinned food to last a short while, tho how they would cook it...

I like what you say about egotists, do you know of any balanced prepper videos on gootube?

Lead is reusable also. And plentiful.

Your mission should you choose to accept it, when you next goto the woods, collect some lead to make bullets with

J

 

[Clouston98]

The second from the left, what's it called? Who makes it? Where can I get one? How much?

It is made by Rob Evans, called a Bushtool. You can get one by private messaging him on here or other forums he is a member of (BritishBlades I Believe) and the cost will vary depending on steel/handle material etc so ask him and he will quote you .

 

[tylerjwhite]

A curious quirk of British housing design means that many houses have a good 400-500L of water sat in the loft at any one time. So if there is an incident, turn off the stop cock to stop any contaminated water coming in, and be sensible with the water you have.

Food wise most houses inadvertently have enough tinned food to last a short while, tho how they would cook it...

I like what you say about egotists, do you know of any balanced prepper videos on gootube?



Your mission should you choose to accept it, when you next goto the woods, collect some lead to make bullets with

J

You go to the car junk yard for lead. The best place is off of the weights used to balance tires. Lead or melted metal is easy.

I have my YouTube channel at TJack. I'm also Tyler on the KnifeHQ channel. I'll post some videos.

I have no editing skills but a fair amount of what we in the US call fieldcraft from my time in the military, and growing up in the mountains of Idaho.

It was funny, when the British news agency interviewed Dan from the Daily Prep and I, they said "well I guess we will have to bill you as pragmatic, realist." I think he was sad that we weren't crazy.

Here is a small list.


TheLateBoyScout
http://youtu.be/XMPsfh4iBqE
Fish survival
http://youtu.be/r5I3KaI55w0
Bow drill
http://youtu.be/G1fKNJcyegs
Desert bug out
http://youtu.be/-q3SbII6Nxc
Desert EDC bag
http://youtu.be/8Dx8BK8a3hc
Bark river?
http://youtu.be/05ubxzXq7hE
Hunting 1
http://youtu.be/pduh5LmUw5Q
Hunting 2
http://youtu.be/o1ek60sABgQ
Paul get home bag
http://youtu.be/rGE6B99l8u8
Urban bug out 1 Paul
http://youtu.be/274w9cv5WgU
Maxpedition falcon II review
http://youtu.be/35UP0r-zEWk
Tactical pen
http://youtu.be/knMtRf2Vx7o
ESEE 4
http://youtu.be/rR3f5cNF2kg
What goes in bug out bag?
http://youtu.be/rR3f5cNF2kg
Ontario Machete
http://youtu.be/zHjQ6-f4HpM
BOB Paul
http://youtu.be/PKKIMRMKHvA
Backcountry Bug Out 4
http://youtu.be/v1QrFzzZvmA
Backcountry Bug Out 3
http://youtu.be/sdeUI0KIpdA
Backcountry Bug Out 2
http://youtu.be/r6zzSr6oRho
Backcountry Bug Out 1
http://youtu.be/3ezNd1Wn83k
Bug out gun
http://youtu.be/uBf8e5-HnGI
Tops Paul BOB knife
http://youtu.be/PKKIMRMKHvA
Grand opening long
http://youtu.be/o_F5-SIwJJk
Uzi pen
http://youtu.be/ARESFqX6XkA
Cheep Chinese baton
http://youtu.be/hWx3rhhlMsw
Shelters race
http://youtu.be/i1GSA0-kPzg

Kinley1978 vids

Winter:
Pulk. http://youtu.be/sMTC_KeB9gc
Wool test
http://youtu.be/os-e0OGU4P8
Winter fish Uinta
http://youtu.be/rJFc3vBqmXs
Army Winter class
http://youtu.be/8tkdgUaN_Og
How to pack for winter camping
http://youtu.be/zmTspYhDHto
Winter camping Squaw Peak
http://youtu.be/txMqgSbPS3c

Desert summer:
Keep a fire going
http://youtu.be/Uf4W6rGbyHk
Fire striker how to
http://youtu.be/lyjz0Y8JULA
Daughter Bow Drill
http://youtu.be/maK8wqsnFPo
Fire Piston Uintas
http://youtu.be/QvUB6OCUxH8
Char cloth how to
http://youtu.be/a4RNyl3-foQ
Ribs pack
http://youtu.be/sqt4RHdf5TI

 

[tylerjwhite]

Julia I see nothing wrong with making a bow and arrows. In fact I'm working on that skill as well. It's just plan B. Arrows are just a little less effective against criminals.

Have you seen the sling bow?

I also think prepping is just woodscraft, bushcraft, self defense, communications, and camping with home storage. Kind of like how mountaineering is just rock climbing, plus hiking, plus ice climbing, plus winter camping.

Ty

 

[Toddy]

I don't hammer, I carefully judge just enough force to crack open a hazelnut shell or a beechnut or acorn, and I don't hammer the nettle stems I gently bash them since I want the fibres intact.
All things that i 'could' do with my teeth, but would rather save them, iimmc.

atb,
M

 

[Toddy]

With all the land that there is in North America it never fails to confuse me how 'preppers' there seem to all have a focus on defending themselves agin other people.

It leaves one with the impression that either your society is riven with strife and criminals, or you really are waco mentality. (apologies to those who lost family to that debacle) In reality those Americans whom I have met are actually rather decent people.

Toddy

 

[tylerjwhite]

With all the land that there is in North America it never fails to confuse me how 'preppers' there seem to all have a focus on defending themselves agin other people.

It leaves one with the impression that either your society is riven with strife and criminals, or you really are waco mentality. (apologies to those who lost family to that debacle) In reality those Americans whom I have met are actually rather decent people.

Toddy

The television is a bad indicator of reality.

 

[Toddy]

I don't watch tv. I don't even know how to turn ours on.

I do read though

M

 

[santaman2000]

A curious quirk of British housing design means that many houses have a good 400-500L of water sat in the loft at any one time. So if there is an incident, turn off the stop cock to stop any contaminated water coming in, and be sensible with the water you have.

Food wise most houses inadvertently have enough tinned food to last a short while, tho how they would cook it...

I like what you say about egotists, do you know of any balanced prepper videos on gootube?



Your mission should you choose to accept it, when you next goto the woods, collect some lead to make bullets with

J

-Tinned food doesn't need cooking, it can be eaten straight from the can. That said, a small camp stove or BBQ is often pressed into service here after hurricanes. The first thing you do is cook the perishable food from the fridge; if the power is still off after a couple of days, you cook the stuff from the freezer. FEMA recommends a supply of about 1-2 weeks worth. That's up from the older recommendation of 3 days which has proven woefully inadequate.

-You said 400-500 liters of water (about 100-132 gallons) For a family of four that's about 8-12 days supply (FEMA recommendations are 3 gallons per person per day) That should be plenty for most disaster scenarios (hurricanes here) until relief can arrive. However our homes probably wouldn't support that much weight in the loft (assuming the loft would survive a storm)

- I wish I could accommodate you with videos of balanced preppers. Unfortunately the very act of videoing is egotistical. The serious preppers do so in private.
mthe carcasses of the animals you kill.

I don't hammer, I carefully judge just enough force to crack open a hazelnut shell or a beechnut or acorn, and I don't hammer the nettle stems I gently bash them since I want the fibres intact.....

In other words you do exactly the same thing I do with a real hammer when driving rivets, driving nails, bending metal, etc.. That is how a professional hammers; He or she matches the force to the task.

With all the land that there is in North America it never fails to confuse me how 'preppers' there seem to all have a focus on defending themselves agin other people.

It leaves one with the impression that either your society is riven with strife and criminals, or you really are waco mentality. (apologies to those who lost family to that debacle) In reality those Americans whom I have met are actually rather decent people.

Toddy

I don't watch tv. I don't even know how to turn ours on.

I do read though

M

Yep. That's exactly how the media presents it. Printed media as well as tv. Thatr's not to say there isn't some truth to that view, there are indeed a fair few who believe just exactly like that. The vast majority however are a bit more sensible. They just don't seek or receive the attention. Indeed the vast majority of the public

 

[Toddy]

I know preppers here; most of them have a tremendous focus on learning to be capable. Capable, self reliant and with transferable skills. Very practical people, but the 'bunker' mentality seems to be absent from the most able of them

M

 

[santaman2000]

I know preppers here; most of them have a tremendous focus on learning to be capable. Capable, self reliant and with transferable skills. Very practical people, but the 'bunker' mentality seems to be absent from the most able of them

M

Exactly Mary. They don't make the news though do they?

 

[Toddy]

No, they don't make for sensational headlines; they're too busy getting on with making life good

M