Teaching fire skills - a word of caution

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Rumi

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I regularly get asked by people to teach fire making skills, especially by parents of friend of my 9 year old son.

I had an interesting experience while teaching one of my sons friends and I feel it should really be a cautionary tale. My wife had actually suggested he come and spend an afternoon with us and perhaps it would be fun to do some outdoors stuff. On arrival I was informed by his mother that he had done a bushcraft course at a camp they had been on recently and so she didn't think I could teach him much more.. (Maybe I should have left it at that and played footy with them)

So we did some tracking for a bit and then looked at some plants. It was a still damp day, slightly drizzly.

We got to our woody bit and the boys wanted to make a fire and as I do each time I went through the safety talk (which was met by eyes in the air) and then set them off looking for materials. So far so good and then the visiting boy produced some sheep wool as the medium to catch the spark..

I watched with interest (I have never seen thins before, and know sheep's wool to be a pretty good fire retardant). It was still raining lightly and after about 10 minutes nothing much had happened. My son by this time had a little inferno going with thistledown and twigs from a steel. My son then suggested to the lad he used the same and started showing him where to find it and how to do it and subsequently the lad got a fire going.

What was interesting was when I suggested and tried to demonstrated that there were a lot of different ways of using a firesteel, including using axes and flint to strike a spark. I was curtly informed that his tutor had informed him that there was only one way to use one and that was the technique he used. My son (bless him, hes 9) turned round and said that that sort of attitude is why people get into trouble in bad weather..

I am a real believer in the pragmatic approach and survival by any means necessary especially when teaching kids. They are so open to ideas and experimentation is a way to learning. We should guide them and keep them safe but not hinder their learning. I sent him home with a goody bag of natural fire making bits and suggested he experiment.

(I was also horrified that he had been sold a £5 firesteel for £15!)
 
Sometimes it's not so much the tutor as the attitude of the child though.

It's almost as though they (just as this child seems to have done) "already know", "Don't want to be taught", and they only take on such a tiny bit of information and claim that's it all.
It's only when subsequent experience shows them up, and someone takes the time and makes the effort, as you did, to explain and demonstrate further, that they actually start to apply the brain.

Thankfully, that kind of attitude seems to be in the minority :D but it is there in some. Usually the child who feels somehow the dominant one in his peer group unfortunately.
Most kids are like sponges when it comes to learning how to make fire :D and that's not gender specific either :cool: The best bit I find is when you then see and hear them showing their friends how to do it :cool: That's when I really know they've got it :D

I hate hearing that kind of rip off though :( Miserable sods tripling the price.

cheers,
Toddy
 
I've so far never met a kid that didn't want to learn. My groups are aged 6-7 right now and I guess the situation will be different when they are bored teens. I also must say I've learned a lot from them since they don't have any "it can't be done" blocks in their mind.
I also agree with Rumi on result oriented teaching except once when they came up with the idea of catching sparks in a fart to have a ready flame for ignition. Then I said no.

Cheers everyone.
 
We got to our woody bit and the boys wanted to make a fire and as I do each time I went through the safety talk (which was met by eyes in the air) and then set them off looking for materials. So far so good and then the visiting boy produced some sheep wool as the medium to catch the spark..

I watched with interest (I have never seen thins before, and know sheep's wool to be a pretty good fire retardant). It was still raining lightly and after about 10 minutes nothing much had happened. My son by this time had a little inferno going with thistledown and twigs from a steel. My son then suggested to the lad he used the same and started showing him where to find it and how to do it and subsequently the lad got a fire going.

some good points there. plenty of folks have told me sheeps wool can be used, just never anyone reliable, and noone's managed to demonstrate it in front of me yet.

cheers, and.
 
I can't imagine sheeps wool as being any good as tinder, otherwise there'd be sheep spontaneously combusting all over the shop.
 
Oh yes, the world weary, `I know it all` of the young.

I once met a five year old who told me that hand drawn animation was with the ark, and that CGi was all that was worth watching.

I wouldnt repeat this boring little episode, if it wasnt for his very authentic air of the aged film critic who has literaly seen it all.

Being an aged critic myself I would be finding out who taught this guy (and ripped him off on the firesteel) and told them what you think.
 
On arrival I was informed by his mother that he had done a bushcraft course at a camp they had been on recently and so she didn't think I could teach him much more.

I think this is where the issue lies myself I have met kids like this and when you meet the parents its often apparent why they are like they are!
 
What that kid would of benefited from would of been to have given him matches, he learned with sparks and thinks that all other ways are easier...Not being able to light a fire with matches would teach him a lot :)
 
Good point :D
It's astonishingly hard for a lot of people to light a fire with a match.
They seem to believe that one match will set a tree alight, just like that :rolleyes:

cheers,
Toddy
 
Good point :D
It's astonishingly hard for a lot of people to light a fire with a match.
They seem to believe that one match will set a tree alight, just like that :rolleyes:

cheers,
Toddy

yaeh, i know a few growed ups with similar ideas. :lmao:

cheers, and.
 
My son (9) and I were making a little blaze today with matches and I just let him try a few things and then he just turned round ans said he was going to do exactly the same thing as he does with a steel or flint and after a few minutes of gathering he had an intense blaze going.. his face was priceless.. I have seen him patiently teach grown men to make fire with a firesteel.

Alf you have a point, I blame the parents too..
 

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