Swedish army Trangia????

[jimbo75]

O.k. so I recently bought what was advertised as a Swedish army Trangia cookset (stainless steel), from Surplus and outdoor (I think?).
But I'm not convinced the wind shield and pans are genuine swedish, and not the Austrian version! What are the clues/difference's??
I know they do the same job. But I am a bit of a purist and collector at heart. The burner and fuel bottle are marked with three crowns. But the windshield looks as if it has been cut to accomodate the pans?
Could anyone offer any clues?
Nothing against the Austrian kit. I just want to know if I can identify this for sure, otherwise I might miss future oppurtunities to own a genuine one..

 

[Mastino]

Here you go: http://www.soldf.com/enmanskok.html

 

[rik_uk3]

Three Crowns is fine, whilst Trangia provided some burners they were in the minority and Trangia did not build the pans/windshield. They are not a 'Trangia' set, best called a Swedish Army cookset really, real Trangia's work so much better.

 

[Holme]

Three Crowns is fine, whilst Trangia provided some burners they were in the minority and Trangia did not build the pans/windshield. They are not a 'Trangia' set, best called a Swedish Army cookset really, real Trangia's work so much better.

That´s correct. I believe the SVEA burners are more common than Trangia.

I also agree that the function of the old Army cookset is rather questionable. It is a bit surprising to read all the praising of the cook set on this and other forums. When I did my military service, we were provided with these cook sets and I still have vivid memories of how we cursed over the darned things. I would never take that with out in the woods if I had anything else to choose from, e.g. some of my ordinary Trangia stoves (I boughtthe oldest when I was 15 and now, more than thirty years later, it still works perfect.

However, I sometimes use the pot (steel version) if I shall cook over open fire.

 

[jimbo75]

Thanks for the info guy's.. Like I say, I'm more interested from a collectors point of view. The pan's are stainless steel and I can just about make out the words 'press....' or something like it on the inside of the pan??? Also the windshield is cut at the bottom of the slots, which is weird? Almost, it seem's like it has been done to allow the pans to sit in the windshield properly.
I know you die-hard type's would cook on anything, and that ex-service guy's think they are a bit crap. But if they are being deliberately tampered with and miss-sold as swedish, then (from a collector's point of view), this is a bit of a scam! I mean, can you imagine some guy sitting there, cutting all the windshields apart and painting over the stamp marks... just so they can make a crafty profit, selling them as something they are not!
Imagine the uproar if someone was messing around with third reich era stuff(which seells for a fortune!), and selling it as genuine! They would be run out of town!!

 

[ged]

There's a similar Austrian one, it's a bit taller:

http://www.militarymart.co.uk/austr...ve-as-new-with-austrian-pan-set/prod_593.html

 

[bikething]

Do you mean this one ?

windshield looks the same as the 2 I've got here - though I'd say with the assembled set in the picture, the green pots need to slide down a bit further into the black windshield so the 'staple' that's attached to the big pot is in the bottom of the thin slot..

 

[bikething]

There's a similar Austrian one, it's a bit taller:

http://www.militarymart.co.uk/austr...ve-as-new-with-austrian-pan-set/prod_593.html

That looks like an austrian pan set (kidney shaped) wedged into a swedish windshield (oval shaped)

 

[ged]

That looks like an austrian pan set (kidney shaped) wedged into a swedish windshield (oval shaped)

Yep, this thread shows some mods although I don't think I'd want to go quite that far:

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45738&pagenumber=

 

[jimbo75]

I bought it from military mart. Apologies to surplus outdoor shop guy's.... The windshield and pots are OVAL, and not kidney shaped. Is this the clue to their origin??????

 

[JonathanD]

Military Mart are good vendors. Everything should match if you got it off them. They would have stated otherwise if it didn't. They bought up pretty much all of the remaining stock of unissued stuff on the market.

 

[decorum]

I bought it from military mart.

Military Mart sell the Swedish set in both stainless steel and aluminium and also the Austrian/Swedish hybrid set ged linked to. Some pics really would aid us in helping you to identify your stove set.

 

[rik_uk3]

That´s correct. I believe the SVEA burners are more common than Trangia.

I also agree that the function of the old Army cookset is rather questionable. It is a bit surprising to read all the praising of the cook set on this and other forums. When I did my military service, we were provided with these cook sets and I still have vivid memories of how we cursed over the darned things. I would never take that with out in the woods if I had anything else to choose from, e.g. some of my ordinary Trangia stoves (I boughtthe oldest when I was 15 and now, more than thirty years later, it still works perfect.

However, I sometimes use the pot (steel version) if I shall cook over open fire.

Well said Holme, I have tried to educate members here but they don't listen, but you are right, the army pot is very good for a fire.

 

[Holme]

Thanks for the info guy's.. Like I say, I'm more interested from a collectors point of view. The pan's are stainless steel and I can just about make out the words 'press....' or something like it on the inside of the pan??? Also the windshield is cut at the bottom of the slots, which is weird? Almost, it seem's like it has been done to allow the pans to sit in the windshield properly.
I know you die-hard type's would cook on anything, and that ex-service guy's think they are a bit crap. But if they are being deliberately tampered with and miss-sold as swedish, then (from a collector's point of view), this is a bit of a scam! I mean, can you imagine some guy sitting there, cutting all the windshields apart and painting over the stamp marks... just so they can make a crafty profit, selling them as something they are not!
Imagine the uproar if someone was messing around with third reich era stuff(which seells for a fortune!), and selling it as genuine! They would be run out of town!!

I agree with the other writers. It would be a lot easier if we could see some pictures of your kit.

However, I´m afraid there is not much collectability in these gadgets. I mean, there are literally millions of them around, and they are not even that good to begin with. Even if You propably could drop a bomb on them and still count on their function, then again, the army cookset cannot match the civil Trangia cooksets, especially if You try to use them in the winter.

 

[Andy BB]

I agree with the other writers. It would be a lot easier if we could see some pictures of your kit.

However, I´m afraid there is not much collectability in these gadgets. I mean, there are literally millions of them around, and they are not even that good to begin with. Even if You propably could drop a bomb on them and still count on their function, then again, the army cookset cannot match the civil Trangia cooksets, especially if You try to use them in the winter.

How very dare you!!! I've had my SAT working very nicely at -20C, thank you very much!

However, you are right that the civvie set is a better unit for most purposes (apart from being bullet-proof of course, or using as a billy can or an oven on an open fire, or using as a woodburner when you run out of meths or just want a nice fire...) But a Trangia 25 set goes for what - 50 quid? and the SAT goes for a tenner...... THe only other set remotely in the same ball-park for value is the Clas Ohlsen civvvy trangia clone, at 9.95.

 

[rik_uk3]

I agree with the other writers. It would be a lot easier if we could see some pictures of your kit.

However, I´m afraid there is not much collectability in these gadgets. I mean, there are literally millions of them around, and they are not even that good to begin with. Even if You propably could drop a bomb on them and still count on their function, then again, the army cookset cannot match the civil Trangia cooksets, especially if You try to use them in the winter.

I have found my long lost brother

 

[Holme]

How very dare you!!! I've had my SAT working very nicely at -20C, thank you very much!

However, you are right that the civvie set is a better unit for most purposes (apart from being bullet-proof of course, or using as a billy can or an oven on an open fire, or using as a woodburner when you run out of meths or just want a nice fire...) But a Trangia 25 set goes for what - 50 quid? and the SAT goes for a tenner...... THe only other set remotely in the same ball-park for value is the Clas Ohlsen civvvy trangia clone, at 9.95.

I´m sorry if i hurt anyones feelings. My bluntness might be explained by the fact that i don´t have an emotional relation to my gear. It is only a matter of function - if it doesn´t work or isnt good enough, i simply get rid of it.

BTW - how long time did it take to boil a litre of water in -20? In my experience it takes from here to eternity and sometimes it doesn´t even boil before the ethanol fuel runs out.

Of course, it can all be a matter of price, but over here i can buy a used military Optimus-set "Jägarkök" with a SVEA-burner for 50 SEK (about 4,50 pound) and that is basically as good as any Trangia 27 so i cant see much reason as to why i should carry that old army cookset with me.

 

[dp0001]

Yep, this thread shows some mods although I don't think I'd want to go quite that far:

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45738&pagenumber=

Austrian (or W. German or East German) sets and are kidney shaped and have three pots. Swedish are oval and two pots, one windshield. Swedish pan has two d rings that can flip out. W German has a simpler handle than Swedish with a 90 degree bend at the bottom that hooks over the main billy pot to hold the set together and to hook into the smallest pot.

I don't think the German/Austrian stuff was made to be cooked in but for queuing at the soup kitchen for a ladle of food. I say that because the paint burned and stank on the German/Austrian stuff but not the painted Swedish. I paint-stripped mine (the quoted thread) partly for this reason.

Military Mart are not passing off Austrian as Swedish, they explain fully their option as a budget way to achieve the same thing.

 

[Holme]

I have found my long lost brother

I´m glad to be of assistance.

 

[jimbo75]

I'm trying to get to grips with posting pics.. so please accept my apologies.
Here are some pics of the item in question.
Please note. I have to remove the pot holder/legs to enable the unit to fit properly in the windshield!


http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h419/jimbo755/17092011172.jpg
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h419/jimbo755/17092011170.jpg