Survival tin --- what should a good one contain?

[Jared]

Here it is...
Theft Act 1968

That url goes to a domain holding site from here.

Here's another
http://www.wikicrimeline.co.uk/index.php?title=Theft_Act_1968#Theft

 

[Glen]

I cant remember the exact wording of the law, but I think it would be difficult to apply it to taking bits of wood off open land, even if it was private land.

I think it'd technically fall under theft as it'd be " intent to permanently deprive..." part of the definition. As an aside this is what makes digital copying and breaking off copyright fall outside of the definition of theft, despite what the adverts say on the telly, though still notably unlawfull it's not technically theft itself. Wheras even cutting a piece of wood and leaving the pieces behind could still be covered by theft as small parts of the wood will have been permanatly lost to the owner.

The chances of anyone pushing for prosecution of such a thing are very small unless they suspect other things and feel it's the only one they can actually prove, in fact I guess criminal damage would probably be a more likely charge anyway.

And bringing the this thread back to the original subject worth considering when thinking about survival tins and open access land is that ( IIRC and others can probably contribute to this part more authoratively ) The open acces land laws specifially mention not having any fishing equipment, probably trapping equipment is also covered, so it's probably better not to include fishooks and line in a survial tin this country, as has been discusse above they're so unlikely to be off any help here that it seems better to leave at least the hooks out and pre-formed snare wires in your " if i go abroad survival tin" whereas as bit of line and some plain wire might still have some legit uses here.

 

[Opal]

My wife loves handbags, I now know where to obtain them on the net.

 

[Toddy]

Members are encouraged to be responsible and self moderating; experienced folks who assist in the smooth running of the site are to be applauded.

I am a little middle aged lady who has never been stopped by the police in her life, I look responsible, non threatening, and I doubt that it would ever occur to anyone that my handbag might contain such a thing as a laplander.
That said, my usual wandering and work makes the carrying of it perfectly justified for well over 50% of the time I spend outdoors.

As for the legalities of taking a stick or bark from a fallen tree, it's legal here. It's called the responsible right of access and details can be found here
http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache...ood,+legal,+scotland&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=uk

cheers,
Toddy

 

[rik_uk3]

Well, I've just opened an ice cold can of Stella, I suggest we all do similar and chill out.

I got the complete Dads Army DVD set for Xmas and can feel a "Don't panic" moment coming on

 

[Chopper]

WOW man! This is getting really, really heavy...

 

[Jared]

As for the legalities of taking a stick or bark from a fallen tree, it's legal here. It's called the responsible right of access and details can be found here
http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache...ood,+legal,+scotland&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=uk

I wasn't suggesting anything. Just thinking of hypothetical ways were having a saw about your person could cause more trouble, particularly now people like Forestry Commission disallow collecting deadwood.

 

[Scots_Charles_River]

Toddy and others (inc. me) live in Scotland so there is different laws and 'Blade' laws.

Just a thought, as Toddy pointed out with her SOAC link.

Nick

PS is a folding saw any good ?

 

[Scots_Charles_River]

So getting back on topic is it useful, a saw, for a survival kit ? Would a SAK saw be better or the, painful to use but effective, commando saw be better ?

Nick

 

[Jared]

So getting back on topic is it useful, a saw, for a survival kit ? Would a SAK saw be better or the, painful to use but effective, commando saw be better ?

Nick

I'd forget the commando wire/chain saw efforts.

SAK saw, and bowsaw blade with a couple of wing bolts, if felt the need. But not exactly going to fit in a tin

 

[MartinK9]

Anyway , a man walks into a Pub with a Duck under his arm.............

 

[spamel]

I can't believe you are getting away with what you post on here Martyn. It goes a long way to prove the inner circle that is so obvious amongst some members here. It's one reason I don't come here very often anymore. Your obvious baiting of members in an effort to get folk wound up and banned wouldn't be tolerated if you were anybody else, but for some reason the Mods tend to turn a blind eye to your posts. I suppose it must be nice to have friends in high places.

 

[Scots_Charles_River]

I'd forget the commando wire/chain saw efforts.

SAK saw, and bowsaw blade with a couple of wing bolts, if felt the need. But not exactly going to fit in a tin

I know they are painful to hold but my S4 craft and Design class tested one on various well seasoned hardwoods and apart from cherry, it cut thru fine.

Nick

 

[sargey]

so i've done a little snipping and pruning....

play nicely or it'll have to be confiscated again!

i also stumbled across this interesting set of articles on the subject.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/article_gallery/Make-a-Survival-Kit-out-of-an-Altoids-Tin-(and-Two-More-Life-Saving-DIY-Projects)/2

there's always the font of information over at equipped.com

Doug Ritter's Mini Survival Kit

my most basic kit is essentially as some have mentioned simply the stuff in my pockets, swiss army knife, string, couple of gas lighters, a bandanna and the contents of my keyring. a couple of torches, bsa hotspark firesteel (the full size firesteels cause too much trouble at airport customs) and a really loud whistle, jetscream or similar. plus the obligatory mobile phone and a wallet full of mostly maxed out credit cards

this concept is what is termed by doug ritter as the Doug's "Don't Leave Home Without It" Gear

there's a ron hood inspired microkit in a K&M matchsafe round my neck. the matchsafe has a compass some fishing and sewing kit, safety pins, (which are the most useful bits in the kit) another tiny firesteel, plasters matches and scalpel blades.

then theres a doug ritter based pocket kit in a couple of coats.

cheers, and.

 

[John Fenna]

Thanks for reopening the thread - I find the contents very interesting!
I tend to carry a survival tin based on a military mess tin in my pack plus a Ritter on my person if I am day hiking in wild places...
Remember that a "fishing kit" of hooks and line can also be adapted for repairing gear and shelter building (hooks make great retrievable line fatenings to branches etc that would take too much line to tie around) and are therefor very much worth carrying...
I think that minimalism can be fun - but I am more well known for carrying LOADS of kit!

 

[ZDP-189]

Survival tin: foil blanket, BIC lighter, a couple of hexamine tabs
Bushcraft tin: ferrocium rod and striker, charcloth
Urban Survival Tin: £20 note, mints

 

[Enzo]

"PS is a folding saw any good ?"

The laplander does a good job on wrist thick stuff and a touch bigger but I have small wrist's

 

[durulz]

And I'm sure that once you amass all these 'essential' survival items you'll find you won't need a 'tin' so much as a 'rucksack'...

 

[Scots_Charles_River]

Just looking at those links, thanks, and spotted a cool looking wee burner/cooker. Top right. Looks like the - 'Titanium Cook Set with Cup ' from the contents list ?

 

[pwb]

Just looking at those links, thanks, and spotted a cool looking wee burner/cooker. Top right. Looks like the - 'Titanium Cook Set with Cup ' from the contents list ?

I think it's a folding Esbit stove by Backpackinglight. com:

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/titanium-esbit-wing-stove.html?

Pete.