Southern Gun Company -.223 Lever Release.
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These guns are carefully worked up with the Police. They work up to the limits of what they will wear with the legislation as it stands.
I guess this is where the .223 lever release is stalled. Prices are now off the SGC website. I understand when they got the ok for a pistol calibre lever release they were warned off a .223 version under threat of having the pistol calibre versions refused too.
Loophole is largely the wrong word in this case. Whereas say when then banned pistols they forgot to ban Black Powder Pistols. ( but no one is going on a killing spree with a muzzle loader) I would say they survived due to a loophole.
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I guess this is where the .223 lever release is stalled. Prices are now off the SGC website. I understand when they got the ok for a pistol calibre lever release they were warned off a .223 version under threat of having the pistol calibre versions refused too.
Loophole is largely the wrong word in this case. Whereas say when then banned pistols they forgot to ban Black Powder Pistols. ( but no one is going on a killing spree with a muzzle loader) I would say they survived due to a loophole.
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Could you expand on that? Not all black powder handguns are muzzle loaders; there are black powder cartridge calibers.
They mainly survived as most were either collectors or museum pieces and it was felt that most of them have a relatively slow reload rate. It would've been a pain for museums and the likes to have to get tickets for them and the cost of reparation for their destruction would've been prohibitive. You also need a certification for purchasing black powder over a certain amount I think? Fuzzy on that these days.
So saying at the time of the handgun ban a lot of folks lost a lot of money on destroyed guns.
My understanding is they were not forgotten one of the people who sat on the committee drawing up the changes was a black powder pistol shooter so he managed to protect his own (may be a Myth but this is what i was told years ago by a good friend and exp RFD who got screwed in the Bann) only for muzzle loading Black powder not cartridge
teh ydid tho make air pistols over 6ft lbs Section 5 tho so same a a rocket launcher or machinegun
Law is an bottom but we work within it. I for one feel so much happier now the bad guys don't have evil guns
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lol read the act I have nowhere does it say "evil" guns are banned
think they missed that one 
still nearly ready to put My FAC in ..................... Finally
was just getting 2 x rimfires but have added the smallest Centerfire I can find (on a comercial cal) .17 Hornet
A .17 hornet is good. Lots and lots of stories about .17 hmr issues but none I have really seen first hand. Police seem to love them though.
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yes they do tho Dorset dosnt like them for Fox prefering a CF
the Issues are the other reason for stepping up tho the HMR is the second Rimfire
Main concern for me it meat damage both 17's are head shot only really or its a wasted shot
You need a black powder licence for any amount of black powder, you also need a certificate to transport it. These only recently started to be amalgamated. You need a black powder box to store it at home.
Strangely you don't need any of this if you intend to load with Pyrodex!
Got to love our laws.
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Strangely you don't need any of this if you intend to load with Pyrodex!
Got to love our laws.
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Dunc I don't seriously think .17 HMR is up to fox either.
I would seriously consider a .223 for Fox. Relatively cheap, easy to reload very accurate out to ranges you wouldn't want to be lamping foxes. Once you have made this choice it's blinking hard to unmake.
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I would seriously consider a .223 for Fox. Relatively cheap, easy to reload very accurate out to ranges you wouldn't want to be lamping foxes. Once you have made this choice it's blinking hard to unmake.
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yeh But i don't want a fox gun I want a rabbit gun that leaves meat to eat but will knock over the odd fox at close range ie 50yrds or 40 if hes in my chicken run from the bedroom window
next up will be a Deer Gun in 260" rem that will deal if I do need long range fox I shoot for food or as a secondary to protect food
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yeh But i don't want a fox gun I want a rabbit gun that leaves meat to eat but will knock over the odd fox at close range ie 50yrds or 40 if hes in my chicken run from the bedroom window
Do not discount .22 WMR for this purpose.
You are more likely to get a grant for this calibre for short-medium ranges on foxes, it is also more effective IMO.
unfortunately in UK you can only shoot wha tthe Police say you can on your ticket and Home office guidelines are that 22LR isnt a suitable cal for Fox (not Law like min deer cal etc) so unless you have a specialised reason ie urban Pest controller etc they wont put fox on
Some now wont do it for 17HMR either Dorset mine will add fox as a secondary ie vermin (rabbit) as reason and fox cos i asked nice
however Guidance is changing to recommend ALQ (all legal quarry ) is added as std with that you can shoot anything legal (only legal min cal in uk is for Deer but several recommended mins exist ie fox Boar Goat etc)
however Dorset dont like doing that from new either gives to much control away I guess
there are people who have Deer on a 308 or 243 who cant shoot fox as its not on the ticket or have fox only when stalking (effectively preventing night shooting Fox as you cant shoot deer at night)
Thanks. That was my real question to Countryman; were all blackpowder handguns exempted, or just the muzzle loading ones.
I don't know of any black powder cartridge guns. I suspect that ship sailed.
Revolvers are common enough and granted readily to members of clubs for target shooting. Remington 1858 and Ruger Old Army percussion models are popular.
Have a look at Henry Kranks website.
You won't get one on ticket for hunting!
These are rifled firearms. Smoothbore muzzle loaders are shotguns. Don't get me started on the legalities of shooting solid .50 cal balls or conical bullets from one.
Obviously in the States hunting with Guns like this has a big following. We Brits cannot be trusted.
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Revolvers are common enough and granted readily to members of clubs for target shooting. Remington 1858 and Ruger Old Army percussion models are popular.
Have a look at Henry Kranks website.
You won't get one on ticket for hunting!
These are rifled firearms. Smoothbore muzzle loaders are shotguns. Don't get me started on the legalities of shooting solid .50 cal balls or conical bullets from one.
Obviously in the States hunting with Guns like this has a big following. We Brits cannot be trusted.
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Maybe not as strange as you think. Black powder is classified as an explosive whereas Pyrodex is classed as a solid propellant as are modern smokeless powders. Thus black powder is a hazardous material for shipping and storage purposes whereas Pyrodex and smokeless powders aren't
They aren't common here either TBH, but they do exist. They weren't really in existence for very long in history as the development of smokeless powder occurred mere decades after cartridge guns became widespread. Even then, most of the earlier blackpowder calibers simply adapted to the new smokeless powder resulting in only a handful of blackpowder only cartridge calibers; few of which survived.
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