Someone has been done for carry Zombie knives.

Laurentius

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Lets be fair to the rozzers here, (and I am not talking about the met who are a special case) they have a difficult job to do and they are never there when you want them but always on your case when you don't. The law needs to be flexible and I think notwithstanding the ridiculous burden that Government piles on with silly and ineffective laws the basic principle is there that they can find a reason to arrest you if they want to, but if you are not causing any trouble they won't. Sometimes it is necessary to find an excuse to get somebody of the streets for something they could not otherwise pin on them. Does anyone seriously think that these guys were just out for a bit of bushcraft?
 
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Minotaur

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Funnily enough here are the two articles I read.

I would just like to point out the knives in the first article idiotic and I am certainly not promoting any violence. In fact I don't know what I am trying to say, just the article annoyed me
Are they not Zombie swords? The one in the top article must be at least 2 foot long.
All of the kids by me seem to go round dressed like wannabe ninjas.
I highly recommend Talking to Strangers: What We Should Know About the People We Don’t Know by Malcolm Gladwell as it has some stuff about the effect the press has in these situation and what the result is.
 

Herman30

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Man sentenced to 4 months jail for openly carrying this in the street:

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Man sentenced to 4 months jail for openly carrying this in the street:

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Seems reasonable. Not even a zombie knife, it’s just a fixed blade for which he had no reasonable excuse to be carrying around in public.

I know it says ‘small replica’ but that’s still a 6” fixed blade.
 

Pattree

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Good.

We don’t know all the context but we do know that the police and the courts will want to be seen to be determined on knife crime.

I was struck by the last sentence of the article:

“With a bit more self-awareness, Bray could have avoided contact with us completely.”
 

Herman30

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Yep! Anyone living in UK should know better than carry something that even remotely resembles a knife, even if it is labled as a fidget.
 

ijohnson

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“With a bit more self-awareness, Bray could have avoided contact with us completely.”
This is the key point.

It is the reason why I find the endless discussion about what is legal carry, blade length, etc, etc somewhat strange.
If you don't bring yourself to the attention of the Police then they will not know, nor care about what you are carrying.
 
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"Supt Rob Bosson said it was "welcome news" that the weapons had been removed from circulation."

Supt Rob Bosson probably wasn't aware that the BBC news article photo of the seized knives would be accompanied with a "Visual search" icon provided by google that you can click on which opens another window full of sponsored links to where you can buy a multitude of similar knives.
 
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Pattree

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Saw this in BBC app today:


I was particularly struck by this paragraph:

For City Council leader Tony Dyer it's about shared responsibility:
“There’s no one single organisation capable of solving that problem," he says. "If we are going to protect our young people it’s going to be by all of us working together and producing a collaborative effort.”

Unfortunately, of the two weapons found in the car: one was very apparently a weapon of aggression. The other probably was for the same purpose but looks like an ordinary working machete.
 

Falstaff

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Bit hazy on this, many years ago for my DoE Awards we had lectures from the police. One of the points was that after I think it was 8pm, they have the right to ask your name, where you live, and where you are going, and you have to tell them. Before this time in the evening they can ask, but you don't have to answer. (But it is politic to do so if it won't cause you a problem).
Clearly evasive young guys hanging around on an estate, acting suspicously, are going to get a tug, and quite right too. Typically they are either dealing, buying, or going equiped for a crime such as mugging or burglary.

Recovery of items after seizure by the police is a big problem, always was, often got mislaid/lost/damaged etc.
One historical short rifle legally owned by a work colleague, and ordered to be returned by the Court, was literally seized by the owner off the (very) senior police officer who was using it during a shoot a year later! (West Yorkshire Constabularly) No action taken against the officer.
The various gun Associations are now instructing members to refuse to pass them to police when asked for them, and to legally elect instead to take them to a licenced gun storage business. Happened recently to someone I was working with, who explained it to me, and got his rifle back.
Police are now getting very clever at hiding their number and not answering if you ask for their number. It's a common smokescreen demand by ne'er-do-wells, and an equally common police tactic (" he was making so much noise I was distracted and don't recall hearing him ask sir")
 

Wildgoose

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Unless you are suspected of committing an offence you don’t have to give your details, 8pm or not. Obviously it’s polite and probably sensible to comply with a reasonable request though.

95% of patrol officers (and retail workers sadly) use body cameras now, so I imagine a lot of what you describe is in decline.
 

Falstaff

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Unless you are suspected of committing an offence you don’t have to give your details, 8pm or not. Obviously it’s polite and probably sensible to comply with a reasonable request though.

95% of patrol officers (and retail workers sadly) use body cameras now, so I imagine a lot of what you describe is in decline.
If only the Police officers on the beat could remember that, or re-read their Police College notes. Sadly it is not in decline, quite the reverse. The gun Association advice and dis-inclination of officer to identify themselves is the current position.

I'm pretty pro-police and can sympathise with some of the stuff and expectations put on them. Despite this I am not afraid to criticise where things could and should be better.
 

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