Sharpening progress

Ginger

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I just made a leap in developing the ability to sharpen knives tonight. I thought I'd share this with other newbies, who may - like me - be struggling to master this ancient skill!

This post is for those who never seem to get a decently sharp edge, whatever method you try.

Using a DMT Fine/Coarse sharpener, I worked a couple of stainless steel chef's knives to a reasonable edge. However, in the spirit of learning to sharpen by learning what to look for (ie by learning how to "read" the edge as I grind it), I held the point of the knife blades to a piece of wood and with the blades almost horizontal. I then "sanded" the edge of the blades with the DMT grit. I did this under a spotlight so I could see the effect of my work on the edge of the blade.

In other words, I didn't rest the sharpener and move the knive blade; I rested the knife blade and moved the sharpener.

The reason I did this was to see the effect of the DMT on the blade edge. I wanted to discover how consistent my grind was down the length of the blade, how deep it was and how much pressure took off how much stainless steel.

My knives are somewhat sacrificial in this because they are easily-replaced kitchen chef's knives.

I discovered that the coarse DMT side really grinds off quite a lot but this is useful for resetting a blade that may have lived a long life without being sharpened well.

I discovered that I tend to grind away less metal where the blade curves most sharply towards its point. This was about an inch form the tip on my two chef's knives.

I found that switching to the fine side of the DMT was necessary to produce an edge bead that could be moved from edge to edge by grinding the side that the bead is pointing to.

I also found that finishing up on a ceramic rod was necessary to really get rid of the bead. At that point, on my bigger six-inch knife, I was able to shave a few hairs from my arm. Just. Not with graceful ease. Nevertheless, this is why I think this experiment was a success.

Other observations:
I think I probably applied too much pressure when using the knife on the DMT.
I had the back of the blade much closer to the DMT than I have in the past (IE a shallower angle between blade and sharpener). I see different reports about having a 30deg angle and a 15deg angle...

The knife edges still don't look great and are still not as uniform (along their length) razor sharp as I aspire to.

But I think switching the blade and the sharpener and doing it under a bright spotlight helped reassure me about what effect my sharpening was having and gave me confidence in how much effect I really was having.

When I refine this I will sharpen my Woodlore knife, which lies unused since I bought it four years ago! I also have a Mora that - like the Woodlore knife and unlike my chef's knives - has a distinct bevel that clearly needs to be ground when the edge is ground.

Hope this helps someone else. My real point is to encourage you to experiment on less valuable blades in order to get a sense of the basics of this.

Good luck!
 

alick

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A guy with a REALLY good reputation for sharpening is The General on BB. He gave several demos at the first BCUK weekend last summer. What stood out a mile was how little force he applies when sharpening with ceramics or a stone. He seems to let the weight of the knife do all the work without adding extra pressure and takes as long as the job needs.

Really satisfying when you get it right isn't it !

Cheers

By the way - another really fundamental point gleaned from the Juranich book on sharpening is the importance of the bur. Basically you sharpen one side of your edge until you raise a bur - a wire edge - that you can feel along the edge on the side NOT touching the stone. THEN turn it over and do the same until the bur moves to the other side - flip again and repeat thinning the wire edge all the time as the burr moves from side to side. Then strop lightly to get the final edge.

Being able to feel the burr tells you that you've sharpened enough and it's time to turn over. As the burr moves from side to side, the wire edge gets thinner, work hardens and eventually just snaps off leaving a really fine edge. The last strop then polishes and refines this making it more durable.
 

Hoodoo

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Nicely done! Thanks for that info. Another way to check your sharpening progress is to mark the edge with a black felt pen, then make a few strokes, check with a 10x loupe, and repeat. You should be able to see very easily the effect of your sharpening. Another good check is to work one side only until you can feel the wire edge on the other side by running your fingers across the edge, at a right angle to the edge. Then it's time to work the other side, again, until you feel the wire edge form on the opposite side. Then strop to get rid of the wire edge.
 

alick

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Double post ! Hoodoo you jumped in with that little gem just as I was editing the same thing into my own post. Great to see that we agree :biggthump
 

JakeR

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Cheers Ginger, nice work mate. First time i got a razor edge was using a very similiar mehod but with the DC4, except i used Martyns expert advice rather than discovering it! :biggthump
 

Ginger

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Thanks for the feedback folks!

I did read the Juranich book a few years ago and so was aware of the burr thing but had forgotten the importance of it and how to use it as a diagnostic.

I'll let you know how it goes.

Ginger
 

Buckshot

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If you sharpen one edge only until you feel the burr surely you're concentrating the major part of sharpening and, therefore removing more metal on that side.
Does that mean the edge of the blade is not in the exact centre line of the knife? I don't suppose it makes a huge amount of difference but surely over time it would be noticable?

Does that make sense?

Cheers

Mark
 

Stew

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Buckshot said:
If you sharpen one edge only until you feel the burr surely you're concentrating the major part of sharpening and, therefore removing more metal on that side.
Does that mean the edge of the blade is not in the exact centre line of the knife? I don't suppose it makes a huge amount of difference but surely over time it would be noticable?

Does that make sense?

Cheers

Mark

That makes sense to me. Maybe each time you sharpen you should alternate which side you start with...
 

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