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Gaoler

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Jun 22, 2009
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Hi All.

Just wondering if anyone has experience of using a Scottish Dirk as a bushcraft tool?

I don't mean the ceremonial pipers type of blade but the older versions that have evolved from the bollock daggers from our European cousins.

Other countries have their speciality big blades (Leuku, Parang, machete...) and they all use them for bushcraft camp duties. Is the Highland Dirk well designed for these tasks or should it be left for use as a ceremonial display toy?

...... and yes, I do have a craving for a big blade with a little of our own UK heritage attached:surrender:

Cheers

Steve
 
id say no. those other tools you mention have evolved as working tools of trade. a dirk is a tool of war. Dirks arent heavy and arent suited for chopping, probably too long for any sort of prepping. good for sticking englishmen, but thats about it i reckon :o
 
Four blades........sgian dubh, sgian ochlas, dirk and claymore. Only the sgian dubh was daily used, really. It was the wee knife kept handy for cutting food and the like.
Mine makes pretty good feather sticks though :D and yes, women do wear them with their arisaids :D

cheers,
Toddy
 
............getting worried here :o

I'll yell hauners to Trisha, Fiona, Karen, Vhairi, Meg and Dharma if need be :) they're all members too, and they wear them as well :D

M
 
That's so true.
My Grandmother showed me how to put one on when I was very little, but, and it's a big but, I could only wear it outside in the hidden from the road and pavement and neighbours, in the back garden with the high hedges. Only poor folks wore them.

It's the churches fault.
The ministers and priests couldn't see if a woman wrapped in her arisaid, brought up over her head, was paying attention to the service or the sermon, so they fulminated agin them.
If the church frowned on it then respectable women only wore them in the privacy of their own homes to nurse babies and sit cosy. They bought cloaks and mantles for outdoor wear. Poor women couldn't afford extras like those.

Menfolks kept their plaids because there was the military association with them, as in tacit approval.

Nowadays women are wearing their arisaids openly again :) especially for high days, celebrations and festivals. I know one family with three generations of females in them :)
The littlest chemise and bodice and arisaid we've made was for three year old Hannah :D she was beautiful in it :D
As for loose women :rolleyes: I think the arisaid is beautiful, and much like an Indian lady with her sari and the veil over her hair, it must have looked attractive to those repressed folks whose women folks were all tied into corsets with their hair all pinned and powdered so tightly. Just jealous :D

atb,
Mary
 
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And how labour intensive it was to make. Seven spinners needed to keep the weaver working.
The linen and nettle cloths too. The Scottish Spinning Schools were set up in the 18th century and one of the ultimate aims was to increase the amount of cloth available for trade, like the Irish. The letters of time though are quite clear that though very, very good linen and woollens were spun, dyed and woven in Scotland, the people kept the finest of them for their own use and only traded on the 'commercially' produced stuffs. Irked the London stampmasters no end.

We're way off topic :o Sorry Gaoler.

cheers,
M
 
Hi Gaoler,
This is something I've considered for some time, as there would appear to be a gap in our knowledge with regard to tools used for clearing and chopping of undergrowth. The reason for this is simple; that historical interest has, until recently, been placed almost exclusively on the doings of the rich and powerful, palaces, castles, battlefields, powerful individuals, etc; while ordinary people and how they lived has been largely ignored.

The origin of the word "dirk" is unclear, but there seems to be a popular belief that it originates in the C17th, and as a loan-word from Danish or Norse. Not only are almost all other Danish/Norse loan-words in our language of far older use, but the word itself is used prior to that date, as in 15th and 16th century documents, charge sheets, inventories, etc.

It may be of passing interest to some, that I suspect the influence of Bronze Age toolmaking to have survived well beyond the Iron Age in the form of design. The general design of the bolster of the Ballock/Ballick dirk is greatly reminiscent of Bronze Age design, and may arguably be compared to elements of La Tene style and its later influence seen in British metal work.

By the C18th the word is in common usage and by the C19th, is being bandied around to describe anything sharp, pointy and too handy. In 1810, the writer James Hogg, The Ettrick Shepherd, was invited to a society dinner by the Edinburgh "Glitteratti". Hogg, who had never seen a fork before then, made quite an impression when he "drew a dirk at the table and frightened the ladies".

(There's some evidence that it wasn't just a dirk he drew out and impressed the ladies with, and it didn't take long before the resentment of the "Glitteratti" were acting to exclude this simple shepherd and literary genius from the printer's shop. They began referring to Hogg as "The Pig", to which Hogg retorted that "It's gei quair folk that canna tell a pig frae a sheep!" Well, nobody remembers their names!)

By the C19th, the word "dirk" has also been hijacked by the military and is being used as a term for any dagger-like implement from a naval officer's dirk to a ceremonial dirk, as the British military proudly took possession of terms from a culture they had effectively exterminated only a short time before. The one sense of the original meaning of the "dirk" that remains is that it was a tool for the sole purpose of killing!

To go back to my original statement, that there is a gap in our knowledge of bladed tools used in Scotland, although style and design being far from unitary in greatly diverse Scottish cultures. We know from Pictish stones and various rock carving that the hatchet was probably a common tool (see the Rhynie Man). Axes were obviously common, although the main evidence for this is the vast array of styles of war axes, from the halberd to the Lochaber axe; the style of war axe varying from region to region, and we know the favoured modus operandi of Robert the Bruce was as an axe-man!

I have seen on numerous occasions, a tool resembling a cross between a sickle and a bill-hook, being sturdier than a sickle and less heavy than a bill-hook. I have only seen these tools in Fife or Clackmannanshire (which is merely Fife under occupation), in small local museums or exhibitions of farming implements. Many such tools were probably locally produced by blacksmiths, although there were areas well known for the production of knife and cutting implements, such as Kilmarnock, which came to specialise in mass production of knives and blades but seems to have been known as a manufacture centre as early as about C15th.

Here is a link to a site which I'll admit not having looked at properly, although seemingly of interest concentrated around the late C19th at earliest.
Scottish Transport & Industry Collections Knowledge network; STICK (they obviously struggled with the extra "n")
http://www.stickssn.org/site/pages/projects/old-tools-new-uses/otnu-master-catalogue.php
There are links to various tool categories at the foot of the page, which in turn provide a list of museums with tool collections. I have found museum staff, even Curators, to be extremely approachable and helpful, and prepared to answer enquiries to the best of their ability.

Hope it's of some use, and certainly a topic I will have to look at more closely.

Cheers,

Pango.
 
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