RSPB says "Don't fear fungi"

armie

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and a bird charity would be an authority on fungi because.....

Martin Harper studied Biological Sciences at Oxford and Conservation at UCL, and worked at Wildlife and Countryside Link before spending five years as Conservation Director at Plantlife.

Peter Marren studied nature conservation and worked with The Nature Conservancy Council as a scientist and conservation officer.

Easily found on the internet.
 
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udamiano

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Totally agree Mary, too much bad publicity, although it should be noted that when it comes to fungi. You must be 100% sure. If in doubt don't risk it.

Most areas have groups that do organised fungi rambles, and having an expert around to show you the way is a great way of getting into fungi
 

Geoff Dann

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The article does contain some nonsense, unfortunately.

1) Of course Ash Dieback is natural. It is closely related to "mushrooms" and produces fruiting bodies.
2) We don't know how it got here, so we can't say it was humans who brought it.
3) Alien species arriving in ecosystems happens naturally anyway, due to things like continental drift, sea level falls and driftwood reaching distant islands.
 

Geoff Dann

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... because they realise birds live in the whole environment ???

Many birds are critically dependent on a supply of inverterbrates to eat.

Many of these inverterbrates, especially during the leaner times of year, depend on rotting organic matter. The insects cannot eat dead wood without the fungi, because the fungi are required for the first part of the process which breaks down the wood.

No fungi = no food for the birds.

There is a little known connection here between the evolution of trees (i.e. lignin, which is what makes wood tough enough to support full-size trees), the evolution of fungi, and the existence of the enormous coal deposits which made industrialisation possible. It took several tens of millions of years after the first lignin-containing trees appeared before anything at all "figured out" how to metabolise lignin. Most animals still can't break it down. They depend on fungi to do this. But the fungi themselves took quite a while to invent the correct enzymes to do it, and in the intervening time, all of the dead trees just piled up on the ground and did not rot. The result was the massive coal deposits that gave the carboniferous period its name.

In short, even if humans wipe ourselves out and the earth is allowed to evolve without our input again, there will never be another lay-down of coal deposits like that, and the reason is fungi. Dead trees now become bird food rather than coal.
 

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Many birds are critically dependent on a supply of inverterbrates to eat.

Many of these inverterbrates, especially during the leaner times of year, depend on rotting organic matter. The insects cannot eat dead wood without the fungi, because the fungi are required for the first part of the process which breaks down the wood.

No fungi = no food for the birds.

There is a little known connection here between the evolution of trees (i.e. lignin, which is what makes wood tough enough to support full-size trees), the evolution of fungi, and the existence of the enormous coal deposits which made industrialisation possible. It took several tens of millions of years after the first lignin-containing trees appeared before anything at all "figured out" how to metabolise lignin. Most animals still can't break it down. They depend on fungi to do this. But the fungi themselves took quite a while to invent the correct enzymes to do it, and in the intervening time, all of the dead trees just piled up on the ground and did not rot. The result was the massive coal deposits that gave the carboniferous period its name.

In short, even if humans wipe ourselves out and the earth is allowed to evolve without our input again, there will never be another lay-down of coal deposits like that, and the reason is fungi. Dead trees now become bird food rather than coal.

That is one of the best posts I've read in a long time. Thank you.
 

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There is a little known connection here between the evolution of trees (i.e. lignin, which is what makes wood tough enough to support full-size trees), the evolution of fungi, and the existence of the enormous coal deposits which made industrialisation possible. It took several tens of millions of years after the first lignin-containing trees appeared before anything at all "figured out" how to metabolise lignin. Most animals still can't break it down. They depend on fungi to do this. But the fungi themselves took quite a while to invent the correct enzymes to do it, and in the intervening time, all of the dead trees just piled up on the ground and did not rot. The result was the massive coal deposits that gave the carboniferous period its name.

In short, even if humans wipe ourselves out and the earth is allowed to evolve without our input again, there will never be another lay-down of coal deposits like that, and the reason is fungi. Dead trees now become bird food rather than coal.

I never knew that. Great post :thankyou:
 
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Geoff Dann

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There's a dark side to this story, of course. This period of coal deposition happened after a long period during which the sun had slowly become hotter and hotter (which is still happening.) One of the results of all this carbon ending up buried (instead of being recycled back into the active ecosystem) was that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere decreased, and along with it the long-term temperature of the Earth. This carbon was permanently removed, or at least it was until humans discovered they could dig it up and burn it. It has taken us about 200 years to put about half of it (so far) back into the atmosphere.

James Lovelock said:
Gaia, the living Earth, is old and not as strong as she was two billion years ago. She struggles to keep the Earth cool enough for her myriad forms of life against the ineluctable increase of the sun’s heat. But to add to her difficulties, one of those forms of life… has tried to rule the Earth for their benefit alone. With breathtaking insolence they have taken the stores of carbon that Gaia buried to keep oxygen at its proper level and burnt them. In so doing they have usurped Gaia’s authority and thwarted her obligation to keep the planet fit for life; they have thought only of their own comfort and convenience.
 
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