Refused a tattoo

[carabao]

A strange occurrence yesterday, I had booked a consultation with a local tattooist here in Brighton, an artist I had respected. Anyway I wanted the image of Tiw (the metal broach found at Sutton Ho) tattooed on my right flank. I showed the image and straight away he snapped I won't do racist crap. I was taken back I explained what it was and why and tried to explain that it was not racial why I was having this done. But he was adamant that it was a far right symbol and by doing so I was claiming to be Anglo Saxon White.
Bit saddened that I could be perceived as a racist and that this chap was so narrow minded, but is that the way society is.
Sorry if this sounds a bit watery but just wanted to get anyone else's view on this. Have now found another guy who will do it, so some restoration

 

[Tat2trev]

I'm a tattooist of 18 years and also third generation at doing so in my family .
The person in the studio is not worthy of being called an artist sound like a narrow minded fool go elsewhere and research your artist before he she goes anywhere near your skin with a needle and pigment .

 

[spoony]

just had a quick google cant find anything racist about it

 

[Dreadhead]

Wow that is shocking I would be truly gutted I hope you find another artist to take it on. Can highly recommend lyndsey, firecrest on here she is a brilliant tattoo artist

 

[crosslandkelly]

The guy is bang out of order. Next he'll be saying that Celtic designs are racist. These people need to get their head out of their ar###.

View attachment 23129This is what the fuss is about, hardly a Swastika.

 

[carabao]

Trev, thanks, I really liked this guys work, but his attitude sucks. Shame

 

[copper_head]

Is this the image in question?

 

[carabao]

Just trying to find any reasons and the only is a website about be English.

 

[carabao]

Is this the image in question?

yes this one,

 

[Tat2trev]

Wow that is shocking I would be truly gutted I hope you find another artist to take it on. Can highly recommend lyndsey, firecrest on here she is a brilliant tattoo artist

Cheers Hamish lol

 

[copper_head]

yes this one,

Certainly doesn't look racist, has it been adopted by the EDL or some such vermin?

 

[greensurfingbear]

Certainly doesn't look racist, has it been adopted by the EDL or some such vermin?

Only reason I can think of off the top of my head. Hate when symbols get corrupted like that. Wasn't the swastika originally a religious symbol before corrupted by nazis?


Orric

 

[Lister]

Looks like 2 duck-penguin ceatures trying to give a guy a couple of pecks on the cheek lmao

 

[wingstoo]

Only reason I can think of off the top of my head. Hate when symbols get corrupted like that. Wasn't the swastika originally a religious symbol before corrupted by nazis?


Orric

Apparently it was a Lucky/religious symbol for many.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4183467.stm

 

[CLEM]

What's wrong with claiming to be Anglo Saxon White if that's what you are is what I want to know! To be quite honest I am absolutely sick to death of intolerant lefty ****ers insisting everyone who is English or White to be ashamed of the fact. To say I loath the ******** is an understatement, they are the true bigots.

 

[Swallow]

Hindu child with head shaven and red Svastika painted on it. Upanayana is a very popular Hindu-tradition, a Samskara or Sanskar (consecration).

Taken from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

included is the following text

Among the earliest cultures utilizing swastika is the neolithic Vinča culture of South-East Europe (see Vinča symbols). More extensive use of the Swastika can be traced to Ancient India, during the Indus Valley Civilization.
The swastika is a repeating design, created by the edges of the reeds in a square basket-weave. Other theories attempt to establish a connection via cultural diffusion or an explanation along the lines of Carl Jung's collective unconscious.
The genesis of the swastika symbol is often treated in conjunction with cross symbols in general, such as the sun cross of pagan Bronze Age religion. Beyond its certain presence in the "proto-writing" symbol systems emerging in the Neolithic,[SUP][10][/SUP] nothing certain is known about the symbol's origin. There are nevertheless a number of speculative hypotheses. One hypothesis is that the cross symbols and the swastika share a common origin in simply symbolizing the sun. Another hypothesis is that the 4 arms of the cross represent 4 aspects of nature - the sun, wind, water, soil. Some have said the 4 arms of cross are four seasons, where the division for 90-degree sections correspond to the solstices and equinoxes. The Hindus represent it as the Universe in our own spiral galaxy in the fore finger of Lord Vishnu. This carries most significance in establishing the creation of the Universe and the arms as 'kal' or time, a calendar that is seen to be more advanced than the lunar calendar (symbolized by the lunar crescent common to Islam) where the seasons drift from calendar year to calendar year. The luni-solar solution for correcting season drift was to intercalate an extra month in certain years to restore the lunar cycle to the solar-season cycle. The Star of David is thought to originate as a symbol of that calendar system, where the two overlapping triangles are seen to form a partition of 12 sections around the perimeter with a 13th section in the middle, representing the 12 and sometimes 13 months to a year. As such, the Christian cross, Jewish hexagram star and the Muslim crescent moon are seen to have their origins in different views regarding which calendar system is preferred for marking holy days. Groups in higher latitudes experience the seasons more strongly, offering more advantage to the calendar represented by the swastika/cross. (Note relation to the sun cross.)

 

[crosslandkelly]

Tiw

Týr (/ˈtɪər/;[1] Old Norse: Týr [tyːr]) is a god associated with law and heroic glory in Norse mythology, portrayed as one-handed. Corresponding names in other Germanic languages are Gothic Teiws, Old English Tīw and Old High German Ziu and Cyo, all from Proto-Germanic *Tîwaz (*Tē₂waz). The Latinised name is Tius or Tio.[2]

In the late Icelandic Eddas, Tyr is portrayed, alternately, as the son of Odin (Prose Edda) or of Hymir (Poetic Edda), while the origins of his name and his possible relationship to Tuisto (see Tacitus' Germania) suggest he was once considered the father of the gods and head of the pantheon, since his name is ultimately cognate to that of *Dyeus (cf. Dyaus), the reconstructed chief deity in Indo-European religion. It is assumed that Tîwaz was overtaken in popularity and in authority by both Odin and Thor at some point during the Migration Age, as Odin shares his role as God of war.

Tiw was equated with Mars in the interpretatio germanica. Tuesday is in fact "Tīw's Day" (also in Alemannic Zischtig from zîes tag), translating dies Martis.
View attachment 23136
Old Norse Týr, literally "god", plural tívar "gods", comes from Proto-Germanic *Tē₂waz (cf. Old English Tīw, Old High German Zīo), which continues Proto-Indo-European *deiwós "celestial being, god" (cf. Welsh duw, Latin deus, Lithuanian diẽvas, Sanskrit dēvá, Avestan daēvō "demon"). And *deiwós is based in *dei-, *deyā-, *dīdyā-, meaning 'to shine'.[3]

The earliest attestation for Týr's continental counterpart occurs in Gothic tyz "the t-rune" (�&#57156 in the 9th-century Codex Vindobonensis 795.[4] The name is later attested in Old High German as Cyo in the A Wessobrunn prayer ms. of 814. The Negau helmet inscription (2nd century b.c.) may actually record the earliest form, teiva, but this interpretation is tentative.

Týr in origin was a generic noun meaning "god", e.g. Hangatyr, literally, the "god of the hanged", as one of Odin's names, which was probably inherited from Tyr in his role as god of justice.[citation needed] The name continues on as Norwegian Ty, Swedish Tyr, Danish Tyr, while it remains Týr in Modern Icelandic and Faroese.

 

[copper_head]

Interesting stuff Crosslandkelly, I think it looks great as a tattoo too. Hope you find a less sensitive tattooist Carabao.

 

[Goatboy]

To be fair a cursory look on Google images did take me to two English supremacy websites. Maybe be artist was just being over sensitive as they'd had previous run ins with that type. I'm patriotic about being British but feel uncomfortable with overtly supremist imagery. (Which I don't feel the image is and it would make a cracking tattoo) - in-fact there's a lovely image of a full back piece out there if you look. Hope you find an artist willing to do your ink and I hope you enjoy it, should be stonking.

 

[maddave]

This is one of Firecrests tattoos.....