Raymond to the rescue (Raoul Moat)

[wingstoo]

Having seen arial photographs from a single pass by RAF photo-recce aircraft I can see why they used the Tornado, Fast, high level, accurate photographs in 3D, and only moments away and gone before you know it's been, compared to using a hovering or low speed, low level heli.

And used during the floods a few years back:-

http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafmarham/events/tornadofloods.cfm

Reading a number plate at 1000ft at a couple of hundred miles an hour is just what they need coupled with this from the files:-

Unlike most reconnaissance packages which at the time stored their images on film, the TIRRS system uses six SVHS video tapes to save information, all running at double their normal speed in order to maximize the image quality. This allows instant evaluation on the ground in a TREF (Tornado Reconnaissance Exploitation Facility) cabin without need to develop film first, and even allows some evaluation during the return flight from the objective by the navigator/weapons system officer. (Later sensors store their information on digital media or transmit live images to a ground station.)

 

[Limaed]

Here's another Tornado find:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/5167612.stm

The glider was missing in approximatly 200 Sq miles of mountain country, had he crashed in winter or in poor weather I doubt he would have survived.

 

[soulstar1963]

my private life is just that harley private i dont need or want to tell the world about it and i certainly dont need to bring it into an open forum and attempt to insult and discredit anybody. so ill leave it there........okay ray was involved .....he helped find this man .........and next week hes going to give a talk on walking on water and how to feed five thousand bushcrafters with 3 loaves and five fishes

 

[soulstar1963]

rather than carry on what is by now a senseless debate full of supposition and guess work id rather think about the poor police officer who was blinded in this incident and who now will never see his two children grow up ......whats going to be done for him

 

[Ray Britton]

Just as a thought here.

I too have heard of the 'Royal parachute regiment' and another very similarly titled gang. I am surprised any mates in the paras had not heard of it too!

It is kind of a real regiment, but is not in the British armies OOB, but is more of a cyberspace unit if you get my drft).

If anyone feels the need to research this and the other unit, you may find they contain some very very famous members.

As for ray Mears, if he was involved then I suppose it kills two conspiracy myths with one stone, as he is ex 21SAS (V) Artists.

 

[Ahjno]

Just as a thought here.

I too have heard of the 'Royal parachute regiment' and another very similarly titled gang. I am surprised any mates in the paras had not heard of it too!

It is kind of a real regiment, but is not in the British armies OOB, but is more of a cyberspace unit if you get my drft).

If anyone feels the need to research this and the other unit, you may find they contain some very very famous members.

As for ray Mears, if he was involved then I suppose it kills two conspiracy myths with one stone, as he is ex 21SAS (V) Artists.

Whether or not certain members have served in whatever regiment - this is NOT the place to question this.


Keep the thread on topic and keep it clean

 

[william#]

Can you imaging the scene if they'd invited Bear Grylls instead? A bit like Gazza's intervention:

"Bear Grylls arrived on the scene looking for Moat. He brought some roadkill badger to eat, a bottle of his own wee for refreshment, and a dead deer to climb inside if they get cold"

omg thats about the most funiset thing ive read in a while !



"ray mears arrived on the scene complete with film crew and production team imediatly sat down and got to work carving a spoon"

 

[Tengu]

Yes, I can see that somehow

 

[The Lord Poncho]

Get with the programme soulstar, tracking a person these days involves electronic tracking (IT, aerial surveillance platforms and geeks).

Largely, but not entirely. some members of our unit attended the 6 week jungle tracking instructors course last year. As far as i know the british army are still running that course, and trying hard to send people on it as they feel the skills are being lost. One E&E exercise a couple of years ago had a Police chopper trying to track down close on 50 guys. Tey were all working in small patrols, and moveing through mixed country with a known start and end point. After round the clock flying for almost two days, the very dispirited crew gave up after their fancy thermal cameras didn't find a single person....

 

[Harley]

Largely, but not entirely. some members of our unit attended the 6 week jungle tracking instructors course last year. As far as i know the british army are still running that course, and trying hard to send people on it as they feel the skills are being lost. One E&E exercise a couple of years ago had a Police chopper trying to track down close on 50 guys. Tey were all working in small patrols, and moveing through mixed country with a known start and end point. After round the clock flying for almost two days, the very dispirited crew gave up after their fancy thermal cameras didn't find a single person....

That anecdote does not prove anyone (Ray or the other lad) successfully tracked the fugitive in Rothbury earlier this month.

p.s. try the same fifty men being tracked by a Tornado with raptor surveillance pod fitted and then let us know how they got on

 

[Harley]

Whether or not certain members have served in whatever regiment - this is NOT the place to question this.

Apologies if I have breached some form of forum etiquette Johan old chap, however, I feel that this subject will attract more than it's fair share of the 'armchair warriors' and hoped to bring some balance by knocking some of the mystique away from the argument.

 

[Harley]

Interesting use of the Mantracker Terry Grant by the Army to learn 'ground sign awareness' http://www.blogs.mod.uk/afghanistan...boy-trains-british-soldiers-to-spot-ieds.html

 

[Delboy]

involving the millitary in civil policing, especially in an armed role, is a legal nightmare, and unlike terrorism, where it can be looked at as a national security issue, this was very much a local problem.[/QUOTE]

Sorry not true, the Police have a responsiblity for all missing persons (whether criminal or otherwise) in the UK. When an RAF Mountain Rescue Team /RAF / RN Sea King / Tornado / SF is deployed its working for the Police as a SAR or other asset. The on scene Police commander requests assistance from the military who offer the most appropriate asset and if nessersary the Police let them run the incident in line with their expertise. This is known as MACC or Military Aid to the Civil Community and can take
many forms.
In an armed incident Police and service personal act within the same 'Rules of Engagement' which cover any legal issues as long as they are followed correctly. I think the average citzen would be very suprised at how much power the Police have.[/QUOTE]

There is no legal issue here at all

 

[Zingmo]

There is no legal issue here at all

Thank goodness for that. It has really been bothering me this past seven years!

Z

 

[Delboy]

Thank goodness for that. It has really been bothering me this past seven years!

Z

Ha ha didn’t realise the age of the thread. At least you now know

 

[oldtimer]

This episode is dealt with in RM's biography recently made available on Kindle.

 

[Tony]

Yeah, there're some wide ranging views on the whole thing, I might have a read of Rays biography, is it worth reading oldtimer? I've read quite a bit about him over the years but if ti's different it might be worth a go.

 

[Stew]

Yeah, there're some wide ranging views on the whole thing, I might have a read of Rays biography, is it worth reading oldtimer? I've read quite a bit about him over the years but if ti's different it might be worth a go.

It's an interesting read. It does cover other stuff that I haven't seen mentioned before.

 

[Tony]

Cool, thanks for that

 

[Insel Affen]

The armed forces, especially the s.a.s.or the even better trained s.b.s.

Oooh, that could cause a punch up!!!

As far as I'm aware, both use the same selection process and then the guys can specialise into one or the other 'badge', which have very different roles. Their 'normal' close combat role, which is very similar for both, use the same training.