Purchasing woodland, advice

Chris

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I’m looking to purchase a small area of woodland in the next year. Maybe 6 or 7 acres.

I was wondering if anyone here may be able to advise me on the following please?

- Is £5-10k per acre still about accurate?
- Where’s the best place to look? I see woodland.co.uk signs up everywhere, but heard this may not be the best option?
- I’d want the sporting rights so that I can shoot as necessary. Is there anything I need to look out for with this in mind? Beyond carriageways and footpaths.
- If you own woodland, what do you think are the things I haven’t thought of which you wish you’d known?

Thanks in advance.
 

Broch

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Price depend on the type of woodland and where it is. I've known some native broadleaf woodland, on good flat land, not sitting next to an urban development (read regular trashing) go for over £50K for an acre. On the other hand, my 15 acres of ancient semi natural woodland cost me a good deal less than £5K/acre because it's predominantly sloping - it's still as beautiful and satisfying though.

There's a whole load of things you need to look into - access rights, security, public use, neighbouring land use, native/non-native species, invasive species , costs of management and maintenance, distance to travel, ...

Get a copy of 'Getting Started in Your Own Wood' by Evans & Rolls (it may even be available as a PDF on line). It's the book for anyone thinking of buying a wood.

 

Pattree

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Others know vastly more than me but:

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Way leaves for powerlines.

Easements to allow access if it’s not roadside.

County structure plans for development.

Now my information is thoroughly out of date but is it still possible for folk to have rights to water? Sticks?

My Forestry Commission boss used to inspect private woodland to ensure that it was being managed but I have no idea what agreement/contract that might have involved.

I hope this is largely right and apologise if it isn’t but it’s worth checking.
 
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Chris

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Price depend on the type of woodland and where it is. I've known some native broadleaf woodland, on good flat land, not sitting next to an urban development (read regular trashing) go for over £50K for an acre. On the other hand, my 15 acres of ancient semi natural woodland cost me a good deal less than £5K/acre because it's predominantly sloping - it's still as beautiful and satisfying though.

There's a whole load of things you need to look into - access rights, security, public use, neighbouring land use, native/non-native species, invasive species , costs of management and maintenance, distance to travel, ...

Get a copy of 'Getting Started in Your Own Wood' by Evans & Rolls (it may even be available as a PDF on line). It's the book for anyone thinking of buying a wood.


Thanks Broch, I’ve ordered that and will read this weekend.
 
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saxonaxe

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When I owned woodland in Sussex I found SWOG, the Small Woodland Owners Group to be a useful source of information. Membership is (was) open to anyone irrespective of woodland size, but most owned a few acres or less. SWOG is sponsored by Woodlands.co.uk but membership is (was) free and worth joining just as a source of information from existing owners.
 
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Astrochicken

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I'd suggest making out a plan for what you intend for / from the woodland, to figure out how you can make it happen. You may want to revert a poor quality pine plantation to natural deciduous, you may want to harvest slow-growing hardwood for timber, you may want a private little nature spot, etc. You get the idea. The more you can foresee what you'll be aiming for, the more likely you'll find a piece of woodland that works.

Consider your timescale too. Most woodlands will take years to manage towards a successful end-goal, regardless of starting conditions.

You'll also need to protect yourself and your woodland too, including insurance policies for the public (even if it's entirely private and is clear that no-one should trespass), disease-spotting (including neighbouring woodlands) and remediation, boundary management and maintenance, managing non-desirable plant growth (e.g. fast-growing ground cover plants that may impact new tree growth), tree thinning, etc.

Perhaps consider an alternative to ownership as a way to de-couple yourself from some of these issues (and those listed by others above) if it seems like it will be too much to take on - community woodlands exist in some places around the country, where you may be able to get pretty exclusive access, free firewood, privacy and the opportunity to shape / enrich / improve a woodland without any of the legal or time responsibilities, cost incurred or obligations.

My wife and I are looking at woodland, and she's a firm permaculture believer, so we're thinking about the long-term for a combination of natural resources (wood and food), privacy and wellbeing and a chance to help an area of woodland become better over time than if it remained neglected. Having the end-goal in mind may give you a good idea of how to proceed.
 
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Broch

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My wife and I are looking at woodland, and she's a firm permaculture believer, so we're thinking about the long-term for a combination of natural resources (wood and food), privacy and wellbeing and a chance to help an area of woodland become better over time than if it remained neglected. Having the end-goal in mind may give you a good idea of how to proceed.

I agree with the whole 'think before you leap' approach; looking after a wood properly can be much more costly on time and money than many people realize.

I would caution against the general assumption that 'neglected' is bad. Many good woodland habitats have been ruined by well-meaning 'improvement'. Yes, to provide the widest range of woodland habitat for biodiversity, some management is necessary to maintain all the seral stages, but over-managed woodland can become less valuable for biodiversity.
 

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I looked at quite a few before buying one and then buying a house with woodland.

I'd still look at local estate agents for woodland, or farms/land being sold off in lots as, sometimes a few acres of woodland turn up. I wonder with the new IHT laws if some farmers will be forced to sell off unwanted woodland. It can even be worth talking to vendors of land as they may have a bit of woodland that they may sell.

Along with obvious rights such as footpaths you also need to look at any other easements that someone could claim. Does neighbouring land drain into yours, do you drain elsewhere, has someone been given access for years to shoot foxes and could they claim any rights? Are there any services in, over or under the land such as electric, water or telecoms?

Having a good chat with the vendor, local people and having a good solicitor who is used to dealing with land is best.

Other things to consider is access, some woodland may only be accessed over a field which could be waterlogged for half the year. Better private access may mean you have to pay to upkeep the track, road access may lead to fly tipping etc, etc.

It is worth having a good look for invasives, not just the obvious japanese knotweed but there's a long list these days. You may be liable if they spread.

Taking a realistic look at the woodland is useful, having huge trees might sound nice but would you be able to do much with them? Look out for diseases and problems, large ash next to neighbours or a road would be a big liability! A good mix of trees would be ideal in this age of a new tree disease appearing every year or two.

Look for pests, the obvious grey squirrel can do vast amounts of damage and control may not be straight forward these days. Deer, rabbits etc may require expensive fencing. Other wildlife might be lovely but can be a pain - a badger set right next to an access track could stop access for example.

Sporting rights should be on the deeds but a good, experienced, solicitor should advice. I specifically asked mine. Even so you may get the odd chancer like a local fox hunt or shoot.

If you get advice don't take it as gospel, I've had advice from the FC, wildlife trusts etc and found it very much "do as I say not as I do" stuff and can often be contradictory.

I could go on, happy to answer any more specific questions.

Edit to add, also check that the woodland does not have any outstanding obligations or access from historic grants, felling licences etc. You should be about to check on the FC site or via the governments magic maps.
 
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Astrochicken

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I agree with the whole 'think before you leap' approach; looking after a wood properly can be much more costly on time and money than many people realize.

I would caution against the general assumption that 'neglected' is bad. Many good woodland habitats have been ruined by well-meaning 'improvement'. Yes, to provide the widest range of woodland habitat for biodiversity, some management is necessary to maintain all the seral stages, but over-managed woodland can become less valuable for biodiversity.
Absolutely right that well-meant improvement can make an area worse if not done properly, however I think the well-meaning owner will likely take guidance / advice / input before hacking and slashing. Neglected though means a lack of care, which I can't see as being a good thing in any form, and I can't believe that neglecting a woodland will actually help it. Leaving a woodland be, and not interfering in its natural changes over time is one thing, but neglecting it is a quite different.

I'd again come back to what the purpose of owning the woodland may be for the OP - biodiversity may come lower down the priority order for example if the plan for the owner is to harvest existing trees for timber. You might say that buying a woodland this way is an expensive way to get timber, but that would simply be a matter of price paid vs timber value compared to the overall need (e.g. building a timber-framed house). It's just my view, and I'm a biologist and supporter of natural biodiversity, but I feel this isn't the only factor in play with something like purchasing a woodland.
 

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Just running with this idea , what finance options ( if any ) are open to Joe Blow public when it comes to buying land / woodland?
 

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Absolutely right that well-meant improvement can make an area worse if not done properly, however I think the well-meaning owner will likely take guidance / advice / input before hacking and slashing. Neglected though means a lack of care, which I can't see as being a good thing in any form, and I can't believe that neglecting a woodland will actually help it. Leaving a woodland be, and not interfering in its natural changes over time is one thing, but neglecting it is a quite different.

I'd again come back to what the purpose of owning the woodland may be for the OP - biodiversity may come lower down the priority order for example if the plan for the owner is to harvest existing trees for timber. You might say that buying a woodland this way is an expensive way to get timber, but that would simply be a matter of price paid vs timber value compared to the overall need (e.g. building a timber-framed house). It's just my view, and I'm a biologist and supporter of natural biodiversity, but I feel this isn't the only factor in play with something like purchasing a woodland.

Oh, I absolutely agree - not every wood can be managed for maximum biodiversity or we'd have no material. However, there is precious little Ancient Semi Natural woodland, and to use that mainly for timber extraction would not be good for maintaining a biodiverse, species rich, woodland.

However, I disagree that 'any well-meaning owner' will take guidance - most are ignorant of best practice. Unfortunately, most advice still emphasises woodland management for some level of commercial extraction; it's not easy to find good advice for woodland management to improve our woeful record of species loss on this island.

As you say, it all comes back to defining what you want to do first before choosing and buying an appropriate woodland to do it in.
 

Broch

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Just running with this idea , what finance options ( if any ) are open to Joe Blow public when it comes to buying land / woodland?

Good question. At one time you could get a mortgage on woodland just like any other land purchase (Shawbrook bank used to do one) but I don't know how it's viewed at the moment. It can be bought using an agricultural mortgage or by re-mortgaging property and buying with cash (obviously). Typically you would only get 60 to 70% loan on woodland, mainly because there is little market value data for lenders to be 100% sure of the woodland value. Theoretically, with the changing land management legislation, woodland should be a good investment. At the same time, it's being bought up by corporations for carbon offset and that must have affected the price and the availability of funding too.
 

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Just running with this idea , what finance options ( if any ) are open to Joe Blow public when it comes to buying land / woodland?

Just found this:
 
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