Preparing for troubled times ahead - Advice on what is needed.....

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The remainder of the quote is also worth stating

"always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”


― Alexander Fraser Tytler

The later part seems familiar. I think the Fourth Turning reads in a similar manner.
The quote is often ascribed to Ben Franklin...without citing a source. Tytler definitely did write something similar, true & profound
 

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The oldest republic is San Marino....supposedly dating from 310.
The French Republic set up in 1792.

Woodhouselee was wrong.
In his times there were still slaves, and in his time Greece and Rome were still considered the ideal examples.

The world moves on. Thankfully.
 

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In theory, my politics are ‘liberal’ although like George Orwell, I can’t stand my peers for the same reasons. Some of my best University professors were quiet conservatives. Again, in a parochial
Community of draft dodging professional students turned professors that came to dominate the educational money making entities mocking the very word ‘University.’
I still get along with most ‘conservatives’ Step away from FAUX News and it’s left counterparts and We all have the same basic concerns and values.
There ARE disturbing totalitarian
Stirrings. But there have been since Washington declined a kingship.
I gave up my firearms after Sandyhook. But, I can assure you: Any serious attempt ( not the Jan 6
Comic-Con commandos) will be met by a surprising alliance who prefer our ‘ best of imperfect’ systems.
I’ve still got my Fairbairn and his collected works.
 

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Some more everyday prepping items from the charity shop today.
Ice grips to fit my large winter boots.
Bet I'll not need them now I've got them!
A Chinese repro Feuerhand lantern, which I will gift to my step daughter. Good condition, so well worth the £2.50 I paid for it. Needs a new wick, but I have a spare , so I've just spent the afternoon cleaning and sorting and packing that, ready to send in the new year.
A nice woollen sweater, and a wool blanket. All for £14.50.
Hurrah for charity shops!
I also found a felting kit for a fiver, not a prepping item, but everything I need to make usefull items from the fleeces I have waiting for a project.
 
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Besides a good stockpile of food and water, a decent selection of heirloom seeds is something I've kept to hand over the last few years. That and a way of hunting/trapping.

Though, perhaps the most important thing in terms of being prepared is getting yourself in good shape, physically and mentally.
 

Lean'n'mean

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Deja vu ?..... With the exponential spread of Covid-19 in China & the emergence of new variants we know nothing about, combined with the reluctance most European governments have in installing any kind of serious precautions for people arriving from China, the Beginning of 2023 risks being a carbon copy of the beginning of 2020.
Not sure what to plan for in this particular scenario.
 

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Deja vu ?..... With the exponential spread of Covid-19 in China & the emergence of new variants we know nothing about, combined with the reluctance most European governments have in installing any kind of serious precautions for people arriving from China, the Beginning of 2023 risks being a carbon copy of the beginning of 2020.
Not sure what to plan for in this particular scenario.

Was thinking the same thing.
I'm just making sure that I can lock down again on a moments notice.
Mainly as I'm very vunerable, and can't chance it.
I will go back to mask wearing if things get bad again .I'm not waiting for the government to act... (as I did the first round, I locked down a week earlier than we were told to, and was the first in our town to wear a mask. I got told to take it off and stop scaring people!!!!!)
I will make my own decisions.
Hopefully it won't be nessasary, but the NHS is in such a mess, we can't rely on them anymore. They are burnt out, under paid and underfunded If it goes upside down again... we got big problems!
Fingers crossed though.
 
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Deja vu ?..... With the exponential spread of Covid-19 in China & the emergence of new variants we know nothing about, combined with the reluctance most European governments have in installing any kind of serious precautions for people arriving from China, the Beginning of 2023 risks being a carbon copy of the beginning of 2020.
Not sure what to plan for in this particular scenario.
If you have concerns regarding any viruses going around, I'd suggest stocking up on a good amount of vitamin D and zinc, enough to see you through the winter months.
 

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Kiwi have stopped selling boot polish in the UK, as apparently most of us now wear trainers and do not polish our shoes, so stock up on a few tins , and learn to make your own.
I've recently had real trouble getting light tan polish for my boots. I had to wait about six weeks for my local shop to manage to get some in. Polish in general is hard to get hold of once the stock in your local shop has run out.
I think this will be happening more often on many products we take for granted, and would not dream of not being able to get.
 
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Kiwi have stopped selling boot polish in the UK, as apparently most of us now wear trainers and do not polish our shoes, so stock up on a few tins , and learn to make your own.
I've recently had real trouble getting light tan polish for my boots. I had to wait about six weeks for my local shop to manage to get some in. Polish in general is hard to get hold of once the stock in your local shop has run out.
I think this will be happening more often on many products we take for granted, and would not dream of not being able to get.
Indeed, more casual footwear & changing work patterns post Covid have been cited as reasons for pulling their products from UK shelves but since they will continue to sell in other countries which are in a similar (though not comparable) situation to the UK, one cannot help but think that prehaps Brexit has a lot to do with it, changes in business practices, greater difficulties in exporting/importing, .........as for many key brands, the UK market just isn't worth all the extra hassle & expense.
 

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the UK market just isn't worth all the extra hassle & expense.
I think that is spot on, there have been a few other examples that I have noticed over 2022, but they escape me now.

Again import delays and cost were the issue. Yes we can make a lot of things in the UK, but we will have to pay more for them, and the real cost of those items we take for granted can be surprising.
 

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The vaccine works brilliantly!
My work offered flu jabs in November. I had one, yet I caught a bug at work a week before Christmas and am still not over it. I got off light, four days of fever, deep chest cough that has lingered and picked up again as of yesterday. Almost everyone at work has been sick, many still coughing weeks later. All who tested for covid, myself included, had negative results. Apparently vaccines didn't do much for us in this case, unless of course the difference between my "mild" symptoms and colleagues who were literally bed bound for days, was the flu vaccine.
 

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My work offered flu jabs in November. I had one, yet I caught a bug at work a week before Christmas and am still not over it. I got off light, four days of fever, deep chest cough that has lingered and picked up again as of yesterday. Almost everyone at work has been sick, many still coughing weeks later. All who tested for covid, myself included, had negative results. Apparently vaccines didn't do much for us in this case, unless of course the difference between my "mild" symptoms and colleagues who were literally bed bound for days, was the flu vaccine.
We were in self imposed lock down month before Christmas, as have parents on both side that have advanced illnesses. This meant that both wife and I missed big Christmas work parties, but a huge number of people got illnesses from those parties, including covid.

We still got a lasting chesty cough from somewhere though!!!
 

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So repeated infections then.

Seriously, vaccines aside because they prime the immune system, the only way to build up a 'healthy' immune system is to catch multiple infections and fight them off.

It's not a lot of fun, and it does otherwise grind you down, and in some instances can truly be deadly.

So, Polio, Diphtheria, Measles, etc., are still given as vaccines to children, and adults if required.
I am of a generation that bears scars from smallpox vaccinations. We don't do that to children any more, because we all bear scars.......

Can't see that happening nowadays though, too many won't take the vaccinations, so even the horrors of polio are slowly rearing their detestable heads again.
Scarlet fever's back with a bang too.

"Coughs and sneezes spread diseases"....said the old public service announcements.
But those are considered 'demeaning, infantilising and insulting to others intelligence' these days, so aren't broadcast any more.

I feel sorry for those who are immune compromised, whose immune system is so impaired that they don't fight off infection easily.
Thoughtless carelessness is literally killing them.
 

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Seriously, vaccines aside because they prime the immune system, the only way to build up a 'healthy' immune system is to catch multiple infections and fight them off.
Yes & no. Some infections do not create a lasting immune response, (covid & flu are good examples ) whilst others risk killing you before any kind of immunity can be created.
As William above stated, a healthy lifestyle is more condusive to an efficient immune system, rather than catching every bug around. Also regular contact with allergens will also keep the immune system on it's toes. (Not easy in a modern indoor sanitized world.)
Children raised with cats &/or dogs, have significantly less risk of developing allergies later in life for example.
 
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So repeated infections then.

Seriously, vaccines aside because they prime the immune system, the only way to build up a 'healthy' immune system is to catch multiple infections and fight them off.

It's not a lot of fun, and it does otherwise grind you down, and in some instances can truly be deadly.

So, Polio, Diphtheria, Measles, etc., are still given as vaccines to children, and adults if required.
I am of a generation that bears scars from smallpox vaccinations. We don't do that to children any more, because we all bear scars.......

Can't see that happening nowadays though, too many won't take the vaccinations, so even the horrors of polio are slowly rearing their detestable heads again.
Scarlet fever's back with a bang too.

"Coughs and sneezes spread diseases"....said the old public service announcements.
But those are considered 'demeaning, infantilising and insulting to others intelligence' these days, so aren't broadcast any more.

I feel sorry for those who are immune compromised, whose immune system is so impaired that they don't fight off infection easily.
Thoughtless carelessness is literally killing them.
Agreed, I was one of the sectors on the front line (although most would not think it), we saw the lack of capacity to deal with COVID, and stepped in to help.

They say that this decade will be the decade of medical advancement....but only if it is allowed and recognised.
 
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