Preparing for troubled times ahead - Advice on what is needed.....

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swyn

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The UK isn't Finland.


Alot more makes sense once you get your head around that.


NEW BUILD properties but building regs WILL have Insulation as a required element. With a mixture of floor type constructions from Solid slab to suspended timber floor.

But the UK also has a lot of far older mixed housing stock that doesn't.
A lot of English housing stock should really be demolished! It is horrible, damp and cold. Worst of all it seems to be worth silly sums of money.
The EPC was the best thing to come into being showing folk just how horrible a huge number of houses are and just how much money you can throw away trying to keep warm!!!!
Meh again and again.
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A lot of English housing stock should really be demolished! It is horrible, damp and cold. Worst of all it seems to be worth silly sums of money.
The EPC was the best thing to come into being showing folk just how horrible houses are and just how much money you can throw away trying to keep warm!!!!
Meh again and again.
S

Hurrumph!
I live in a building built circa 1850's, no sign of damp, certainly not horrid, as for cold... I'm not sure, I'm happy with the thermostat around 16-18 in the winter, so never been overly bothered. But there certainly could be improvements in heat deflection!!
 
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A lot of English housing stock should really be demolished! It is horrible, damp and cold. Worst of all it seems to be worth silly sums of money.
The EPC was the best thing to come into being showing folk just how horrible a huge number of houses are and just how much money you can throw away trying to keep warm!!!!
Meh again and again.
S

We use EPC's in my line of business alot - The word I see used the most often is 'assumed' - I'm not sure if using the EPC as an accurate metric is the way forward.

( Even although I considered get qualified in it )
 

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First time I have seen or heard of this , but fascinating none the less - check it out. ( Not my photo )

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Hunger Stone : The recent droughts in Europe once again made visible the "Hunger Stones" in some Czech and German rivers. These stones were used to mark desperately low river levels that would forecast famines.
This one, in the Elbe river, is from 1616 and says: "If you see me, cry"
 

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The UK isn't Finland.


Alot more makes sense once you get your head around that.
Well, I did when wisiting UK the first time 40 years ago. Been wondering ever since how some things just don't make sense, like having the plumbing outside, because "it freezes anyway" but forgetting that plastic does not take flames very well.

Cold is cold even on the Misty Isles.
 

British Red

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Our home of uncertain age (but it's definitely older than the USA ) is lovely;

- well ventilated (interesting how that suddenly became considered healthy again during COVID-19),

- easy to heat (not open plan, doors to rooms, smaller rooms etc.).

It has it's own well, own drainage, underground cistern,

It has enough land to sustain a family.

I'm glad that some people like modern houses, but we are very happy with what we have. I certainly think it's a very sustainable way to live.
 

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Funnily enough, rones apart, all of our plumbing is inside. The house was built in the late 1970's and they were trying new things. All, and I mean all, of the interior plumbing runs through stainless steel pipes :sigh:
Have you ever tried to fit a connector onto a stainless steel pipe ? :rolleyes:

Somethings are better left old fashioned.
 

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Your house is older than the USA??? wow! :)
If you take the country, rather than the land mass as dating from 1776 then yes it is ;)

We honestly don't know how old because it's not a house of status so there are less records than grand places. It's certainly documented back to the early 1700s but an expert tells us that the bricks are older than that. But could it be that the bricks were reused from an older building? I doubt we will ever know. The place names are Norse but the land was farmed here long before they came. We settle for "old" :)
 

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If you take the country, rather than the land mass as dating from 1776 then yes it is ;)

We honestly don't know how old because it's not a house of status so there are less records than grand places. It's certainly documented back to the early 1700s but an expert tells us that the bricks are older than that. But could it be that the bricks were reused from an older building? I doubt we will ever know. The place names are Norse but the land was farmed here long before they came. We settle for "old" :)

Out of interest what would you say the internal GF ceiling heights & Doorway heights were/are? Any issues with that?
 

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Out of interest what would you say the internal GF ceiling heights & Doorway heights were/are? Any issues with that?
Not sure what GF stands for? Anyway...internal door shown below...you learn to duck!

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Ceilings / beams are okay for a 6' person...justIMG_20220816_212621.jpg
 
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Yes, some builders have things straigth.


Yes, with proper connectors it is easy. My cottage uses all plastic piping because it was designed to be able to take freezing for long periods.

Not trying to start an argument, but it's not. Drilling it is a right royal pain, especially since plumbing is awkwardly sited in corners, under sinks, inside cupboards, etc.,

The central heating runs through copper pipes, thankfully :) much easier to adjust, alter and shift stuff around as homes are renovated. We've used plastic piping where we've changed over the bathrooms and kitchen stuff though, but it still has to attach to the original water carrying piping inside the chases.
 

Scottieoutdoors

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The beauty with plastic piping is the ability to lightly bend it around objects with much more ease than copper. Easier to cut into, fit new junctions, fix etc etc. It's just a lot lot quicker in my experience.
 

swyn

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All my famalam are tall. Our 1859 house has a new 2022 house inside. No damp, end of. From the outside y’all never know which I’m happy with.

No 5’6”x2’3” doors through which furniture will not pass unless pulled completely apart and in a moment of forgetfulness a head-banger, no pokey corridors/divisions, no wood-worm, no fire risk, no drafts no rodents either. 7’ ceilings for that sense of space even though the rooms aren’t big.
Instant water from a modern water tank that’s not in the roof and all those unmentionable issues which one has if it is there.
My electric trolley can scoot about when I become immobile. Yaaaay!
Minimal heating costs in cold times.
Cool in hot times. One snug in which to keep warm even in the coldest time with a small fire for pleasance and heat. I suppose it will be ‘assumed’ :) to be a high B on the EPC if I went that way. @TeeDee

All this from 45 years of learning just what I don’t want ie, being cold and trying to keep warm with polythene nailed on the inside on the windows and huddled by a super ser gas heater when the wood ran out and there was snow half way up the North facing front door and the benchmark carved into the wall said in the book that it was marked at 750 feet above sea level.
Plus wearing surplus padded troos. No thanks.
I was warmer in my caravan parked in a hay barn!
Anyway I have managed to adjust my accommodation to something resembling comfortable and maintenance free which will cost pennies to heat rather than pounds.
My pension should manage to keep with the outgoings when I can no longer work and that to me is a huge plus.
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swyn

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The beauty with plastic piping is the ability to lightly bend it around objects with much more ease than copper. Easier to cut into, fit new junctions, fix etc etc. It's just a lot lot quicker in my experience.
‘Till the glis decide they like it! It has its place in a glis-free house!:oops:

Not native to the UK, they were introduced by Lionel Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild, at his estate near Tring in 1902. From the six original escapees, it is now estimated around 30,000 inhabit an area that covers Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire, Berkshire and now Essex.
 

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I suppose it will be ‘assumed’ :) to be a high B on the EPC if I went that way. @TeeDee
Just for clarity what I was more referring to was 'assumed' on an EPC means 'best guess' which also means not Objective.

I'm pleased you have a house you love - I had a Victorian high ceiling draughty house that I loved for the period features. Not thermal. Not modern - but glorious.
 

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‘Till the glis decide they like it! It has its place in a glis-free house!:oops:

Not native to the UK, they were introduced by Lionel Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild, at his estate near Tring in 1902. From the six original escapees, it is now estimated around 30,000 inhabit an area that covers Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire, Berkshire and now Essex.

Haha as long as they stay that way and out of the cities we might be alright...or at least will have wished the place bon voyage before they arrive!!

But worth bearing in mind for future projects I'm sure!

Mind you, I'd guess electric cables might be attractive too no?
 
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