Plant & Tree ID Masterclass with Paul Kirtley
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Great to see that although Paul has had some technical difficulties over recent days the first course material is online now. Can't wait to get stuck into this!
You got me excited for a minute... I thought you meant that sections 2-5 were now up but they're still not there and I've been waiting 3 days since he got the intro section up an running
Those gremlins really have caused him some problems for sure
Martin, I've replied to your email. The system generated log-in emails are just not getting to you for some reason - most likely the firewall. I don't come on here very often so please reply to my email with support issues.
Thanks,
Paul
Thanks,
Paul
Hi all
Just wondering, how do people rate this course? I'm toying with the idea, but it seems a fair bit of money to shell out for a just online(?) course...? Or is there a hands on element to it now?
Cheers.
Just wondering, how do people rate this course? I'm toying with the idea, but it seems a fair bit of money to shell out for a just online(?) course...? Or is there a hands on element to it now?
Cheers.
Might as well use this old thread (good recycling ). A couple of us had expressed an interest in signing up to this year's course and we are now on it pre opening. I decided on this year because I have this opportunity to maximise it.
I've just been through module one and will try and do so again before module two opens. It's galvanised me thus far...Any other potential 'class of '16' out there?
). A couple of us had expressed an interest in signing up to this year's course and we are now on it pre opening. I decided on this year because I have this opportunity to maximise it.I've just been through module one and will try and do so again before module two opens. It's galvanised me thus far...Any other potential 'class of '16' out there?
Might as well use this old thread (good recycling
I've just been through module one and will try and do so again before module two opens. It's galvanised me thus far...Any other potential 'class of '16' out there?
It's a great course for sure, I've learnt and lot from it and the webinars are especially good.
The other good thing is it's a resource that I can go back to for life to refresh my memory and pick up the new things Paul posts
In western Canada, you need to know maybe 30 species of trees. Another 20-30 species as introduced ornamentals/non-native.
Tree: woody and large enough such that the wood can be harvested in pieces of useful size.
For shrubby things, deal with those which are "site indicators" of water and nutrient. You look at the landscape for a community of species,
not this bush and that bush. Maybe 60-80 of those.
Taught this for years, actually quite useful.
In the UK, can you not follow this pattern and present useful communities of plants? Obviously some introduced species can't be
incorporated. What else is so special about the landscape where Alder is common?
Tree: woody and large enough such that the wood can be harvested in pieces of useful size.
For shrubby things, deal with those which are "site indicators" of water and nutrient. You look at the landscape for a community of species,
not this bush and that bush. Maybe 60-80 of those.
Taught this for years, actually quite useful.
In the UK, can you not follow this pattern and present useful communities of plants? Obviously some introduced species can't be
incorporated. What else is so special about the landscape where Alder is common?
I was looking at this course, until I saw the price! And to be honest, I was a bit fed up with the hard sell by the time the price actually came up on the video. From what I saw, it would be a useful resource, but not worth £274 to me.
I'm even put off from doing one of his bushcraft courses now too, so will be looking elsewhere...
I'm even put off from doing one of his bushcraft courses now too, so will be looking elsewhere...
You can come out with me.
I know bugger all but I'm cheap! 😚
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It's a shame you feel that way regarding his courses because Paul is an excellent tutor.
End of the day Paul is marketing his course hence the hard sell to a certain extent. But if you see the amount of material he's prepared and effort put into the webinar's you'd see that the price is actually good value for money.
As I've done the course I've not watched the intro videos but is he doing the money back guarantee if not satisfied?
No mention of a money back guarantee, but that wouldn't be a selling point for me.
With this format, he's not limited to 6 or 10 clients for a course, although he does seem to be limiting it to some degree!?! Is that so the price can be pushed up?
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With this format, he's not limited to 6 or 10 clients for a course, although he does seem to be limiting it to some degree!?! Is that so the price can be pushed up?
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We have a thing here called a "biogeoclimatic map." You must have the same, somewhere.
The sense is that not everything grows everywhere.
It combines the communities of plants with the geology, the geography and climate.
In reverse, I can expect a lot from knowing the plant community in any district.
For example, I live in the upper Fraser River valley in the Rocky Mountains.
This is the wet side of the range but locally it's a rain shadow.
It's called the ICH = Interior Cedar Hemlock, for the predominate tree species.
From that, I can predict what to expect as understorey and ground cover.
I don't want to bang into your turf but to learn the obvious seems a little steep for cost.
The sense is that not everything grows everywhere.
It combines the communities of plants with the geology, the geography and climate.
In reverse, I can expect a lot from knowing the plant community in any district.
For example, I live in the upper Fraser River valley in the Rocky Mountains.
This is the wet side of the range but locally it's a rain shadow.
It's called the ICH = Interior Cedar Hemlock, for the predominate tree species.
From that, I can predict what to expect as understorey and ground cover.
I don't want to bang into your turf but to learn the obvious seems a little steep for cost.
Its an excellent course, I only did six months of it last year, due to prior commitments, but you're allowed to access the database at any time, forever basically, so I'll be starting off where I left off last year. In fact I might start of at the beginning again. Because its enjoyable. That was a big bonus for me, the permanant access you enjoy.
I like that as my memory is not what it used to be. I learn something, then ive forgotten it a year later, if Im not doing it everyday.
Its month by month as well, so theres a fair bit of homework involved, as Paul does quite a few videos, in the woods etc, telling and showing you where to go and find etc. I think there are 12 main modules, each with a number of sub modules, anywhere from 4-10 i think. But its like anything else, you only get out of it, what youre prepared to put into it.
The webinars are also very good. Theyre like little live tests to catch you out. For instance he might show you something which is definitely a hazel, but on closer inspection, its actually a turkish hazel introduced into a park.
And youre like awww yehhhh....
Im a tight a fisted sod being a yorkshireman, but I think its worth it, as it concentrates on exactly what you should know, and his presentation style is very good.
You'd pay more than this with any bushcraft school, for a week in the woods doing basic plant and tree ID. Honestly it sounds like a lot, but youre getting permanant access to a guy who worked and taught for Mears for ten years. So youre getting all Ray Mears plant and tree knowledge, with permanant access. You'll be sent out into the woods with a camera at first to ID all the main trees.
The only thing i would like to see change is an NVQ level 4 qualification at the end or similiar. Which could help if you wanted to pursue a career in the countryside.
Its worth it IMO
I like that as my memory is not what it used to be. I learn something, then ive forgotten it a year later, if Im not doing it everyday.
Its month by month as well, so theres a fair bit of homework involved, as Paul does quite a few videos, in the woods etc, telling and showing you where to go and find etc. I think there are 12 main modules, each with a number of sub modules, anywhere from 4-10 i think. But its like anything else, you only get out of it, what youre prepared to put into it.
The webinars are also very good. Theyre like little live tests to catch you out. For instance he might show you something which is definitely a hazel, but on closer inspection, its actually a turkish hazel introduced into a park.
And youre like awww yehhhh....
Im a tight a fisted sod being a yorkshireman, but I think its worth it, as it concentrates on exactly what you should know, and his presentation style is very good.
You'd pay more than this with any bushcraft school, for a week in the woods doing basic plant and tree ID. Honestly it sounds like a lot, but youre getting permanant access to a guy who worked and taught for Mears for ten years. So youre getting all Ray Mears plant and tree knowledge, with permanant access. You'll be sent out into the woods with a camera at first to ID all the main trees.
The only thing i would like to see change is an NVQ level 4 qualification at the end or similiar. Which could help if you wanted to pursue a career in the countryside.
Its worth it IMO
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Oh okay, I didn't realise the homework was submitted. That explains the limited numbers, and makes the cost seem a bit more reasonable. It's still beyond my budget unfortunately, but hey ho, that's life! My life anyway haha!Its an excellent course, I only did six months of it last year, due to prior commitments, but you're allowed to access the database at any time, forever basically, so I'll be starting off where I left off last year. In fact I might start of at the beginning again. Because its enjoyable. That was a big bonus for me, the permanant access you enjoy.
I like that as my memory is not what it used to be. I learn something, then ive forgotten it a year later, if Im not doing it everyday.
Its month by month as well, so theres a fair bit of homework involved, as Paul does quite a few videos, in the woods etc, telling and showing you where to go and find etc. I think there are 12 main modules, each with a number of sub modules, anywhere from 4-10 i think. But its like anything else, you only get out of it, what youre prepared to put into it.
The webinars are also very good. Theyre like little live tests to catch you out. For instance he might show you something which is definitely a hazel, but on closer inspection, its actually a turkish hazel introduced into a park.
And youre like awww yehhhh....
Im a tight a fisted sod being a yorkshireman, but I think its worth it, as it concentrates on exactly what you should know, and his presentation style is very good.
You'd pay more than this with any bushcraft school, for a week in the woods doing basic plant and tree ID. Honestly it sounds like a lot, but youre getting permanant access to a guy who worked and taught for Mears for ten years. So youre getting all Ray Mears plant and tree knowledge, with permanant access. You'll be sent out into the woods with a camera at first to ID all the main trees.
The only thing i would like to see change is an NVQ level 4 qualification at the end or similiar. Which could help if you wanted to pursue a career in the countryside.
Its worth it IMO
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I was watching a clip from Mors kochanskis 2016 winter course, and he was drawing a circle, pie chart, where he reckons 75% of crucial knowledge mesolithic man would have had was plant and tree knowledge. The rest would be tool making, minerals, knapping, animals etc.
So it was the most important skill to have by that reckoning.
So it was the most important skill to have by that reckoning.
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I think it's more that if folk join too late in the year that the have a bucket load of catching up to do and indeed miss a season or two relevant to the topics.
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