Paradox of the Archer's Paradox
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To prove the paradox effect either way, you need to shoot some weak-spine'd arrows and some over-spine'd arrows.
You can see the weak ones bending around the bow and the stiffer ones will definitely shoot off to the side.
You might have to make a few weak arrows though as if they shatter on release, you be smashing someone else's set.
ATB
Ogri the trog
You can see the weak ones bending around the bow and the stiffer ones will definitely shoot off to the side.
You might have to make a few weak arrows though as if they shatter on release, you be smashing someone else's set.
ATB
Ogri the trog
I would vote against shooting low spine arrows with a heavy bow.
I have a nasty picture somewhere of some dude with part of an arrow through his hand because it broke while shooting.
Can you shatter a low spine arrow through using a heavy bow? I have known arrows split on the grain which is why one makes an arrow with the points of the grain pointing towards the knock to avoid piercing the hand but never just break because of mismatch between spine and bow weight. I use cheap practice arrows for our Have a go archery and shoot them sometimes from my 70lb longbow without any breaking. Accuracy isn't good though compared to using heavy ash arrows.
Yes if you are unlucky. Lighter arrows can simply not take the force put into them from the bow. The grain of the arrow shaft should run perfectly top to bottom if using good quality shafts. The best safest direction of grain for the archer would be across the length of the arrow but it would not make for a very good arrow.
You tend to find "cheap" arrows are very heavy spined so will take a lot of abuse.
Match the lightest arrow to your bow with the perfect spine and it will not only hit more often but will be much better in terms flat trajectory.
Have a good look on youtube and there are plenty of examples.
An arrow can only store so much energy efficiently given its mass before it blows, not unlike a bow its self.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzWrcpzuAp8
An arrow can only store so much energy efficiently given its mass before it blows, not unlike a bow its self.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzWrcpzuAp8
Now seen extended version which has more information.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96KGWC0PB6s
Seems that the arrow that broke was sort of trapped by the cut away hand grip and arrow rest. A series of that spine still needs to be shot and break for it to be real evidence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96KGWC0PB6s
Seems that the arrow that broke was sort of trapped by the cut away hand grip and arrow rest. A series of that spine still needs to be shot and break for it to be real evidence.
I shoot everything left handed. Firearms, archery, sports etc.
With a bow I have noticed two distinct things happen each and every time.
1)steel goes into target
2)target goes into pot
beyond that I can offer little clarification on left hand shooting.
With a bow I have noticed two distinct things happen each and every time.
1)steel goes into target
2)target goes into pot
beyond that I can offer little clarification on left hand shooting.
I like to think I know what I'm doing with (modern) traditional archery, I tune all my bows bareshaft and have spent a lot of time trying to understand the whole tuning process and I though I had it.
Until I read this thread, that is!!
As was said very early in the thread, its simply mirrored....... paradox is paradox, the best barebow archer I know and have shot with is a lefty!
Spines are not so cut and dried, overall arrow weight is. As far as being good or bad for the bow, I have several bows all between 45-50lb @ 28" and the arrows I have tuned range from (CX) 350's w/200+gr up front to 150's w/100gr points but are all over the 9gr per inch or 5gr/pound using carbons.
I gave up on wheelie bows as it all got too confusing and too much to go wrong, stick and string is supposed to be easy!
Until I read this thread, that is!!
As was said very early in the thread, its simply mirrored....... paradox is paradox, the best barebow archer I know and have shot with is a lefty!
Spines are not so cut and dried, overall arrow weight is. As far as being good or bad for the bow, I have several bows all between 45-50lb @ 28" and the arrows I have tuned range from (CX) 350's w/200+gr up front to 150's w/100gr points but are all over the 9gr per inch or 5gr/pound using carbons.
I gave up on wheelie bows as it all got too confusing and too much to go wrong, stick and string is supposed to be easy!
I am glad to see the laws of physics are the same in British Columbia as they are here in the east. When I lived in Fort St. John lots of mule deer went in the freezer thanks to left handed archers.
"tis my first year as an ex-pat and will be my first hunting season come september!
Trail cams are out, broadheads & skills sharp, binoculars are constant companion & Moose, Muleys et al are all on the radar........... It won't be from lack of effort if the freezer goes unfilled!
Trail cams are out, broadheads & skills sharp, binoculars are constant companion & Moose, Muleys et al are all on the radar........... It won't be from lack of effort if the freezer goes unfilled!
So you don't think it's possible to break a very thin shaft by sticking 90lbs of energy through it?
I really tried with this thread but I give up.
Happy hunting marcel
What 90lbs of energy? Not denying possibility just asking for evidence. After all a tornado can drive a straw through wood so perhaps it depends on the initial acceleration and the inertia of the arrow as well as any spine and the shape of handgrip.
Boatman, you just answered your own question. A tornado would pluck debris up as its approaching energy was sufficient to move the object and the accelerate it as moves it within its vortex. A Bow accelerates the arrow much quicker and from a single point of contact rather than an envelope of air. Think of it this way, if I was to hit you with 90lbs of pressure with a large fluffy pillow you'd feel it over a large area and be OK. If I were to Ippon nukite (one finger strike) you with the same pressure you'd go down like a sack of tatties (that's not in Gaelic by the way).
ATB,
GB.
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