You can't change 2 million years of evolution and instinctive desire
- that's what has worked for millennia!Men of Inspiration
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You can't change 2 million years of evolution and instinctive desire
- that's what has worked for millennia!
Yeah, and a touch of suitable personality, think that is quite important (muscles and a pretty face alone doesn't cut it if you don't act like a man). Don't get me wrong on this, masculine does not necessarily equal attractive or nice (for example Gordon Ramsey vs Gino) , but it is a thing for guys just as femanine is for girls.
Ps) i used chefs especially for you. Feel free to get back on topic, how about chris froome, the first African grand tour winner, not very masculine but hard as nails. Peter sagan is more masculine but bot from the commonwealth.
Ps) i used chefs especially for you. Feel free to get back on topic, how about chris froome, the first African grand tour winner, not very masculine but hard as nails. Peter sagan is more masculine but bot from the commonwealth.
I've had a quick look through the posts, so I don't think I'm repeating an entry:
Another Welshman (well, someone's got to) -
Sir Henry Morten Stanley - born John Rowland - if for no other reason than he demonstrated that it's not your background that necessarily limits achievement. He was in St Asaph workhouse as a 'b****d' child but went on to become a great explorer and campaigner. Although, by modern standards, some consider him to have been a cruel man.
(apparently I'm not allowed to use the English word that describes born out of wedlock)
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Another Welshman (well, someone's got to
) -Sir Henry Morten Stanley - born John Rowland - if for no other reason than he demonstrated that it's not your background that necessarily limits achievement. He was in St Asaph workhouse as a 'b****d' child but went on to become a great explorer and campaigner. Although, by modern standards, some consider him to have been a cruel man.
(apparently I'm not allowed to use the English word that describes born out of wedlock
)
Henry Morton Stanley - Wikipedia
Yep. I'm still not a chef however..
Promise! ( Cub Scouts Code )Not sure where we started on the whole Masculine traits thing but I guess I was looking for INSPIRING men , where maybe you are Looking for Men to ASPIRE too ??
Partly teasing . Partly not! How does a Man act??
Genuine question if you care to answer.
I've had a quick look through the posts, so I don't think I'm repeating an entry:
Another Welshman (well, someone's got to
Sir Henry Morten Stanley - born John Rowland - if for no other reason than he demonstrated that it's not your background that necessarily limits achievement. He was in St Asaph workhouse as a 'b****d' child but went on to become a great explorer and campaigner. Although, by modern standards, some consider him to have been a cruel man.
(apparently I'm not allowed to use the English word that describes born out of wedlock
Henry Morton Stanley - Wikipedia
Good One - I was completely unaware of that person.
You can't change 2 million years of evolution and instinctive desire
I'd now debate that on some levels.
I suspect you weren't - "Dr Livingstone I presume?" - that Stanley
I've had a quick look through the posts, so I don't think I'm repeating an entry:
Another Welshman (well, someone's got to
Sir Henry Morten Stanley - born John Rowland - if for no other reason than he demonstrated that it's not your background that necessarily limits achievement. He was in St Asaph workhouse as a 'b****d' child but went on to become a great explorer and campaigner. Although, by modern standards, some consider him to have been a cruel man.
(apparently I'm not allowed to use the English word that describes born out of wedlock
Henry Morton Stanley - Wikipedia
An inspiring and interesting read!! Loved that he left graffiti.
This is just an opinion. But my example is: there are 2 guys:
The first is tall handsome, fairly cut and certainly good looking with a nice beard. Great personality but seriously metrosexual and happy to talk periods and make-up. He is great but not masculine.
The second is not as tall or handsome, but still ok. Well enough built, also with a nice beard. He is ok to talk to, but firmly shuts down the girltalk and replaces it with tales of manly hobbies. Comes across much more masculine.
So i think it must be something to do with what is said and not said. But it is definitely a bit of a puzzler to explain.
And to be clear, I didn't start this, it was in the very first post. I am joining in though as it is a core interst of mine. (along with food and exercise)
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Could it possibly have to do with Internal Traits & Values , actions , behaviour?
Probably quite a lot to do with them. But i don't know how to quanify or define it well. (other than with 3 lists:manly, maybe manly, not that manly). Will start work on that after lunch.
It seems to me that the ladies are conflating sexual attraction with masculinity. I would suggest that these are separate issues. Consider, for example, Gareth Thomas. He has reached international status in both Rugby codes and would fit Alison McKenzies' criteria on his looks. We were asked to suggest men of inspiration and he has inspired a generation of homosexual Rugby players. He has my respect for having the courage to come out as homosexual in a milieu which is very masculine in its values.
Yes, I know women also play Rugby but my views on this are irrelevant here.
Yes, I know women also play Rugby but my views on this are irrelevant here.
I think i was clear that they are different. Gareth Thomas is masculine (imo) but not attractive to me (i stood next to him once in a lift in reading) . Don't think sexuality necessarily is a defining point in this, except in the case of campness whuch clearly isn't cery masculine.
True. Sexuality in and of itself isn’t necessarily a defining factor of masculinity but to say that they’re “separate” denies the inevitable entertwining.. But that’s a rabbit hole we’d probably be better not going into. I think in the most basic sense we’re talking about (or unintentionally talking around) a Type A personality. A desire and drive to compete and succeed. A trait that’s intrinsic both to competition in masculine sports such as rugby and in sexuality. A trait that must come with balance.
I complete agreement with you ref not going down that Rabbit Hole and I don't think necessarily Sexual preference has an obvious hand in this conversation. If I remember correct Alexander III of Macedon ( The Great ) was sexually fluid but was like you mention was hugely remembered for acts of achievement.
