Liars or Trolls? Wrong or deliberately wrong...

[HillBill]

Packing gauze would be used first if was a serious bleed. FFD would then wrap and maintain pressure on the whole lot.

I'm sure that's how it all works in your mind. In an ideal scenario, sure. Problem with conflict/combat is that, its never an ideal scenario. Not everyone is a combat medic, and when several men go down, there's often a wait before they can get to you. So people did what they could. I carry something in my first aid kit, to cauterise a wound as well as a tourniquet, in the event of an arterial bleed. Its not the ideal way to treat such an injury, potentially leading to complications later. But i have a better chance of getting proper medical treatment by using them, than if i applied a bandage. I'm sure if you go googling, you'll find a lot of stuff saying you shouldnt do either. But then you'd just be dead before you get proper care.

 

[Pattree]

How so?

I must be missing something.
I cannot see how the de-gasification hypothesis for the formation of the oceans sits with liars and trolls.

Even if you are a creationist it’s a viable idea..
I don’t want to debate it. I just don’t understand the OP.

 

[HillBill]

I must be missing something.
I cannot see how the de-gasification hypothesis for the formation of the oceans sits with liars and trolls.

Even if you are a creationist it’s a viable idea..
I don’t want to debate it. I just don’t understand the OP.

I'm certainly not a creationist.

It took FAR longer than many centuries for earths oceans to form. It took millions of years. Also, ( and this is debated to this day) was most likely much warmer than it is today. 2 schools of thought though.. The earths crust was FAR thinner, meaning the atmosphere was much warmer due to radiated heat sub surface thus not allowing water vapour to condense enough to even form rain, or that the sun was much cooler and the atmosphere had the potential to condese vapour.. Neither of which can be proved as fact. Yet, the pic i posted, states facts. "this is how the oceans formed" When it is blatantly wrong on the timescale, and dubious as to the date, and reason.

 

[Jared]

We're not in a warzone or conflict, and we have unrestricted access to all and any medical supplies.
No one is using tampons in wounds.

Even in the military why aren't they carried in an IFAK if they work so well? I don't actually believe you were taught to use a tampon.

This subject came up on previously mentioned first aid course 30+ years ago. And the retired sargeant turned first aid instructor said it wasn't a thing.

 

[HillBill]

We're not in a warzone or conflict, and we have unrestricted access to all and any medical supplies.
No one is using tampons in wounds.

Even in the military why aren't they carried in an IFAK if they work so well? I don't actually believe you were taught to use a tampon.

This subject came up on previously mentioned first aid course 30+ years ago. And the retired sargeant turned first aid instructor said it wasn't a thing.

Not everything is a taught thing (but was indeed a shall we say, a suggested thing) . People do things because it's an accepted thing amongst peers. Most military training/ techniques is based on the experience of the previous conflict. When i was in, they were considered a normal part of ones 'personal kit' Can they save your life... yes. WILL they save your life... sometimes yes. If things have moved on from that, fine... things move on. But when i was in, did people use them.... yes. Did i ever need to use one... no. But is that ingrained in me from being told by serious people who's lives could depend on it... yes. Will a chap on the internet, who's done nothing like that convince me otherwise... highly unlikely.

 

[Chris]

It’s alright for you both to co-exist whilst holding different opinions on something, feels like it could be left as an agree to disagree. It feels like it’s derailing the thread a bit at this point and maybe could be its own discussion?

 

[Pattree]

( and this is debated to this day)

Of course it is - that’s what science does. We learn and as a result of learning we go back and review our explanations. Classical thinkers (may have) thought the Earth was flat despite the fact that their observations could have suggested otherwise. They weren’t fools or subversives. They worked within their learning and used a local terminology to describe their world.

If you click on the link in #2 you will find a number of viable hypotheses and conjectures.

I read your heading as some sort of condemnation of the individual who posted the illustration and it confused me. If your only concern is the use of the term centuries instead of megaanna then the heading seems a bit extreme. That’s all.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.

 

[TeeDee]

It’s alright for you both to co-exist whilst holding different opinions on something, feels like it could be left as an agree to disagree. It feels like it’s derailing the thread a bit at this point and maybe could be its own discussion?

 

[Tengu]

Of course it is - that’s what science does. We learn and as a result of learning we go back and review our explanations. Classical thinkers (may have) thought the Earth was flat despite the fact that their observations could have suggested otherwise. They weren’t fools or subversives. They worked within their learning and used a local terminology to describe their world.

If you click on the link in #2 you will find a number of viable hypotheses and conjectures.

I read your heading as some sort of condemnation of the individual who posted the illustration and it confused me. If your only concern is the use of the term centuries instead of megaanna then the heading seems a bit extreme. That’s all.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.

The Classical Thinkers knew the earth was round and had measured it.

 

[Pattree]

Which ones?

Edited
Oops - not Aristotle!! Pythagoras thought it was flat.
Hindu tradition said it was domed (on the back of elephants.

Archelaus believed that the flat Earth was depressed in the middle like a saucer.

There is some evidence that Chinese scientists had indeed measured the curvature of the Earth well before then. Official policy was that it was flat (and square)

Plato proposed a spherical Earth.

Sorry @HillBill you thread is being pulled in all sorts of directions and I’m not helping!

Edited to add:
It may be that some apparent Flat Earthers are trolls and do not themselves believe in the model.

I have a certain admiration for a flat Earth believer. The mental effort to maintain the view must be quite disciplined.

 

[Tengu]

Im not at all sure what the thread is about either

 

[Broch]

Everyone knows it is disc shaped, sitting on the back of elephants, standing on a giant turtle that swims through space! It's extensively documented in ancient texts so must be so. Not liars, trolls, or wrong ...

 

[Pattree]

Thus spake Everyone.

 

[Pattree]

I wonder if some future cosmologist will write “‘Twas inscribed oftly on the ancient interwebs. It must be true.”

 

[Jared]

Not everything is a taught thing (but was indeed a shall we say, a suggested thing) . People do things because it's an accepted thing amongst peers. Most military training/ techniques is based on the experience of the previous conflict. When i was in, they were considered a normal part of ones 'personal kit' Can they save your life... yes. WILL they save your life... sometimes yes. If things have moved on from that, fine... things move on. But when i was in, did people use them.... yes. Did i ever need to use one... no. But is that ingrained in me from being told by serious people who's lives could depend on it... yes. Will a chap on the internet, who's done nothing like that convince me otherwise... highly unlikely.

This was the answer I was expecting.

Ok, if using a tampon is effective in your view why isn't it taught?

 

[Chris]

Really??

 

[Jared]

Yes, really.

My view on almost all public internet discussions like this is not about convincing the other party. It's for everyone else to read and draw their own conclusions.

 

[Broch]

Yes, really.

My view on almost all public internet discussions like this is not about convincing the other party. It's for everyone else to read and draw their own conclusions.

Well, you've done that, let it rest or take it private please

 

[Falstaff]

Also to be clear, it's not a difference of opinion. The reason why I responded to the thread was Hill Bill's post was this comment.

"Poking a cut ,graze or burn, getting the crud out."

And think I demonstrated that is considered not the best practice. Hence why I mentioned water/saline wipes as an alternative.

I haven't backtracked to read the comment but it's something I've done. It almost certainly isn't best practice but I've done that several times, water either did'nt or wouldn't remove it (if I had it). A little bit of blood flow sometimes helped, never had saline wipes.
Given the state of and delays in A&E, and getting antibiotics etc time to get working after, my thoughts on leaving it in there (at those times) was that it would give time for infections to take hold. Balanced of course, by the risk of my poking making it worse/infected.
Never believed the tampon thing, might work in desperado, but if you're going to carry them why not carry the proper stuff.

 

[Jared]

Well, you've done that, let it rest or take it private please

There is no point in taking discussions like this private. Not sure why everyone else is getting touchy, you can just avoid this thread, but I will refrain from further posts.