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From a woman's point of view, and mind that the first meet I turned up to there were only men, and the next were all men but me and the daughter of a friend who needed out of the way at very short notice so I took her along, at it.
Women are in the minority at the meet ups, but we go along anyway, and yes we get the jokes too (bust, bowdrilling
) but we simply take them in good part and give as good as we get back. It's that kind of company. Most of the time there aren't even jokes, gender is pretty much not an issue....well we do dispute shewees, but that females agin and for, and females annoyed at males insisting that little girls learn to use them because they're 'better'.
I can't see there being any issue if he wants to set up one of the groups here, like the Ladies one, or the Lotions & Potions one, or the ice crew one. I don't know how many folks he'd get to join though
Is there not a group in Social Media ? like facebook or the like ?
As I said, the other folks I know who are gay just join in like everyone else here. Presumably he'd be in your company anyway some of the time, so it's not as though he wouldn't know anyone.
I like Presterjohn's comment "but by and large most people are more interested in the kit and craft rather than who you love at home."
Do you want me to edit out the offensive word from the posts ? or leave it as an example within the disussion ?
cheers,
Toddy
Women are in the minority at the meet ups, but we go along anyway, and yes we get the jokes too (bust, bowdrilling
) but we simply take them in good part and give as good as we get back. It's that kind of company. Most of the time there aren't even jokes, gender is pretty much not an issue....well we do dispute shewees, but that females agin and for, and females annoyed at males insisting that little girls learn to use them because they're 'better'.I can't see there being any issue if he wants to set up one of the groups here, like the Ladies one, or the Lotions & Potions one, or the ice crew one. I don't know how many folks he'd get to join though
Is there not a group in Social Media ? like facebook or the like ?
As I said, the other folks I know who are gay just join in like everyone else here. Presumably he'd be in your company anyway some of the time, so it's not as though he wouldn't know anyone.
I like Presterjohn's comment
"but by and large most people are more interested in the kit and craft rather than who you love at home."Do you want me to edit out the offensive word from the posts ? or leave it as an example within the disussion ?
cheers,
Toddy
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yeah I believe I know (and left) the facebook group you were referring too - seem to have a few really active bigots around about the time of eurovision.
He's such a beautiful man though
Really; classic in a way that the man who dresses as a sort of androgenous but female model totally misses.\
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Really; classic in a way that the man who dresses as a sort of androgenous but female model totally misses.\
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I dont understand the need for a seperate lgbtg group? And dont see how sexuality comes into it on the site?
Why segregate?
Why segregate?
He's such a beautiful man though
Really; classic in a way that the man who dresses as a sort of androgenous but female model totally misses.\
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Maybe the reason I gave below is the reason he's looking for a specialist group. If he went there first (the FB group) then he must think we're a bunch of Neo Fascists.
As long as someone is prepared to accept my orientation then I will accept theirs.
Members of my own family were/are Bi ....
Is there a need for a separate group?
If they get perm to play in cool places can straights join them?
Members of my own family were/are Bi ....
Is there a need for a separate group?
If they get perm to play in cool places can straights join them?
I'd leave it.
It was said in jest, but makes a point about the off hand anti gay attitude thats all around.
Right, that's it, I'm off to the lake's now...whoo hoo
Erm, surely it is similar to asking is there a Land Rover owners bushcrafting group? You could be inclusive about what you read who you chat to but sometimes it's nice to be able to chat to people who are going through/have been through similar experiences. Would it be odd to ask if there was a land rover group to find out if an R380 gearbox needed extra cooling? I doubt it. Everyone, even grummy old me is a social person to some degree. It can be nice to talk to peers.
Just my 2p
Louis
Just my 2p
Louis
On one side it is an offense to discriminate against people of different sexual orientation (unless you are of the minority) but you can freely choose when to discriminate against others based on your own preferences sexually if in said minority, more than anything this amazes me when people want to discriminate themselves into a tiny little select group excluding themselves from the bigger picture altogether, wouldn't be surprised if they then sat and moaned about not being included in regular circles that follow that subject.
Self segregation for what purpose? I really don't understand, can i blame my age and heterosexuality?
Self segregation for what purpose? I really don't understand, can i blame my age and heterosexuality?
That's probably precisely it. It is hard to understand the needs of a member of a marginalized minority group, when you yourself are not part of the group and have not shared those experiences of discrimination. Repeatedly stating that one does not understand why there is a need for such groups, largely reinforces the need for the groups.
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It's not often I agree with you Ross but you are spot on there, and why the question was originally raised.
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So by creating a subset, they in effect ring fence that subset ? Is that not totally agin inclusion and acceptance in mainstream society ?
If you wish to influence and change perception then active participation and familiarisation is a necessity. Otherwise though it might well be law, it's not in the spirit of the intent, iimmc.
It's like the Chinese lady who insisted that she was Black....while she most definitely wasn't, but was claiming racial discrimination on that basis. To the majority who are genuinely open minded, it just does not compute. Indeed it kind of emphasises the strange rather than the tolerance.
While it's all very well to state, "Repeatedly stating that one does not understand why there is a need for such groups, largely reinforces the need for the groups.", it does no good to ignore the reality that that is genuinely how the majority think; and since the majority are most likely those whom he will meet, then surely he needs to take on board our view too.
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If you wish to influence and change perception then active participation and familiarisation is a necessity. Otherwise though it might well be law, it's not in the spirit of the intent, iimmc.
It's like the Chinese lady who insisted that she was Black....while she most definitely wasn't, but was claiming racial discrimination on that basis. To the majority who are genuinely open minded, it just does not compute. Indeed it kind of emphasises the strange rather than the tolerance.
While it's all very well to state, "Repeatedly stating that one does not understand why there is a need for such groups, largely reinforces the need for the groups.", it does no good to ignore the reality that that is genuinely how the majority think; and since the majority are most likely those whom he will meet, then surely he needs to take on board our view too.
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If the OP had asked the question without any mention of sexuality, eg. I really like the life and times of Daniel Boone is there a group that I can join that would have people of a similar outlook, the discussion would have been shorter. likewise if the group asked for was people who wanted to camp out in a neolithic style. Why not ask if there is a collection of like minded individuals rather than trying to find them. Don't we all just go camping and enjoy nature? Isn't it sometimes nice to have common ground with the people you talk to?
From a woman's point of view, and mind that the first meet I turned up to there were only men, and the next were all men but me and the daughter of a friend who needed out of the way at very short notice so I took her along, at it.
Women are in the minority at the meet ups, but we go along anyway, and yes we get the jokes too (bust, bowdrilling
I can't see there being any issue if he wants to set up one of the groups here, like the Ladies one, or the Lotions & Potions one, or the ice crew one. I don't know how many folks he'd get to join though
Is there not a group in Social Media ? like facebook or the like ?
As I said, the other folks I know who are gay just join in like everyone else here. Presumably he'd be in your company anyway some of the time, so it's not as though he wouldn't know anyone.
I like Presterjohn's comment
Toddy
This. I started work in an engineering company back in 1971 where I was the only woman working on the shop floor and when I was legally paid substantially less than the men. I've been the only female member of a racing yacht crew. I achieved my truck driver's license at a time when it was supposedly common knowledge that women weren't competent to drive let alone drive a truck. I've traveled alone to places where I've been told that women were not permitted or at the very least not welcome. The choice back then was either to push the boundaries or to creep back to being a hairdresser, a nurse or a typist until you got married and then turned into a domestic servant for your husband. Along the way I've had plenty of sexist comments and worse but I'm sufficiently pig-headed to grin and carry on.
It's an unfortunate fact that the trail blazers always have it more difficult than those who come after but equally those trailblazers are the ones who make it possible for others to follow.
All of which is a long-winded way of saying that I understand all too well how difficult it is sometimes to go into new territory when you're afraid that you're the outsider or different in some way but unless you want to live in a restricted ghetto for your entire life sometimes you have to take a deep breath and jump in.
Cross posted; response to Louis.
So it could have been a woman joining asking for an all woman's group. I could see that going down as well as a man joining and asking for an all male group.
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So it could have been a woman joining asking for an all woman's group. I could see that going down as well as a man joining and asking for an all male group.
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You were correct there Mary but only if that group precludes the omission of the opposite gender. Where I work there is a group called Networking Women within the (insert employer name here) there are male, female and transgender workers that are made welcome to join.
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