Its the term traditional that bugs me, I was in a clout comp with a bunch of dudes using the "English" or Welsh longbow, so anyway after I wan the comp using an "American flatbow" they all started to try and ganging up on me trying to make excuses " which didn't work coming from a bunch of wollies dressed up in pantaloons pretending to be Robin Hood" anyway I digress, they moaned about my bow having American Indian technology and they insisted was an American flatbow AFB fair enough but so wate a minute I said the oldest bows found in Europe are flat bows the "Traditional" long bow as they "choose" to call them only evolved from the short bow in the 13th or 14th century where my so called American "Indian technology" flatbow has a history in Europe dating back at least 5 or 6000 years, or, like them, just choose to ignore the facts, me personally I thought they were just a bunch o sore losers, ...