Is "preparedness" a state of mind?

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Much depends upon expectation. I'm a bit older & remember when fewer than 10% of people went to university and a normal, working class household:

  1. Almost certainly rented their home with no expectation of ever buying
  2. Had no car
  3. Had no central heating
  4. Had no freezer
  5. Never went abroad
  6. Used a launderette & wore clothes for several days
  7. Used a call box to make a phone call
  8. Rented a TV if they had one at all
  9. Still had an outside toilet
  10. Were paid in cash and had no savings

I think most people today have it pretty good to be honest

I did spot something the other day that caught my eye .

I went to the new designed Town ( Built on a renowned flood plain - as you do ) to check out the new supermarket ( slow saturday ) - anyway - what caught my eye was an external Laundromat vending machine ( Small-Medium-Big Loads ) - which did make me think whom it maybe catering for.

Lots more van dwellers in my area - not that I find them a problem - just surprising and ( to me ) I feel its somewhat a shame and I feel sorry for them - even if they feel free and happy I can only think it must be marred with uncertainty.
No doubt they find good use for such amenities - maybe we shall find the same thing but for shower/WC options in the future?
 
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Much depends upon expectation. I'm a bit older & remember when fewer than 10% of people went to university and a normal, working class household:

  1. Almost certainly rented their home with no expectation of ever buying
  2. Had no car
  3. Had no central heating
  4. Had no freezer
  5. Never went abroad
  6. Used a launderette & wore clothes for several days
  7. Used a call box to make a phone call
  8. Rented a TV if they had one at all
  9. Still had an outside toilet
  10. Were paid in cash and had no savings

I think most people today have it pretty good to be honest
I remember all that to varying degrees growing up but I was making comparison to to the the overall madness between now and the Thatcher years. x
 
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Much depends upon expectation. I'm a bit older & remember when fewer than 10% of people went to university and a normal, working class household:

I can identify with (just) over half of those from my own childhood, and we would have been considered reasonably well off from a working class perspective. Things like renting the TV were just considered the norm.

Edit - We owned our house, but property in Belfast back then was cheap for perhaps obvious reasons. Our three (four if you're a creative estate agent) end terrace cost just under £15k in 1980.
 
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what caught my eye was an external Laundromat vending machine ( Small-Medium-Big Loads )
There's a few of those over here now. In rural bits of France they're everywhere. But then you'll also find bread, pizza, cheese, roast chicken and err... Oyster vending machines in villages & small towns, much moreso since covid.
 
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I did spot something the other day that caught my eye .

I went to the new designed Town ( Built on a renowned flood plain - as you do ) to check out the new supermarket ( slow saturday ) - anyway - what caught my eye was an external Laundromat vending machine ( Small-Medium-Big Loads ) - which did make me think whom it maybe catering for.

Lots more van dwellers in my area - not that I find them a problem - just surprising and ( to me ) I feel its somewhat a shame and I feel sorry for them - even if they feel free and happy I can only thing it must be marred with uncertainty.
No doubt they find good use for such amenities - maybe we shall find the same thing but for shower/WC options in the future?
Those launderettes are everywhere here in Ireland. I used them all the time until they went cashless. There are still a couple left that take coins. If they go I will wash my stuff in the river. x
 
Wondering today.

How folks would cope with the grief of change if they suddenly lost access to the way they have been living their life for decades.....

What has provoked this is a bit of a difficult week. Lost one of our 3 cats to a sudden illness- by the time he showed symptoms it was too late. Although we are both grieving, my other half is struggling particularly..... in large part I thimk because we moved to the new place recently (just under 3 months ago).... moved away from an area where we'd been for aa long time, and he was also brought up in the vicinity.

The issue is change in what was familiar surroundings and routine. It was probably easier for me to adapt as (a) I moved about a lot when I was younger and (b) I spent nearly 3 years working on the renovation.

Time is a healer, as is developing a "new normal." (Albeit the latter takes time to put together and can take significant effort). Trite perhaps- but true all the same.

I am sure that people who have for example been flooded out of their homes feel similarly dislocated and adrift, and so I wonder what it would do to society to have a significant level of negative routine change on a wide basis- especially with folks who have had stable and reasonably comfortable lives- when suddenly the base assumptions of life just.... stop.

It would lead to a form of grief I think, and I wonder how many would become depressed and how many would roll up their sleeves and make the best of things.... suppose it depends on having a direction.

The closest I can think in the UK context is the challenges and dislocation of WW2, but of course then there was a strong propaganda effort to raise morale, a sense of purpose and a level of leadership on a natioanl scale.

Be interested on thoughts of how people might respond in 2025 (or 2039) as compared to the response in 1939......

GC
 
I'm sorry to hear your other half is finding the change difficult - I suspect you're right about being used to 'moving around' when younger; I did, and never thought anything about changing location. However, having lived in my forever home for 30 years, cart horses couldn't drag me away now.

I do think that a wandering lifestyle is much more in our genes than a static one. Humankind has been wandering for hundreds of thousands of years and only static in Britain for more like 6000. I suspect 'place' is less important than 'tribe' - our pets become part of our tribe. I know we dearly miss our ESP who died over two years ago :(

I think you can do both - grieve and 'get on'. Time dulls the pain but doesn't heal. I concentrate on building on the best memories.
 
I grew up in a Council Scheme...1960's.
Parents too old in their late marriage to qualify for a mortgage, and the only cottages around that they could pay cash for were without built in bathrooms, had stone floors, no central heating, the wiring was , yeah, etc., etc.,

Instead they moved into a brand new three bedroom house with an inside bathroom, laundry/kitchen (double sinks, wringer, etc., all built in. Hot and cold running water (back boiler on the fire, which heated the upstair bedrooms too). Gas (we had a gas fridge/freezer, we could plug in the gas the same way we did with an electric plug, just a bayonet fitting) and electricity all plumbed in. Big gardens (folks still expected to grow food in those days)....and all they had to do was to pay the rent every week.

So they did.

Council schemes weren't poverty. Poverty was those poor benighted souls who couldn't pay the rent.
Council rents weren't cheap; my parents paid as much as a much younger Aunt did for her mortgage.
We had tennis courts, bowling greens, golf course, library, big parks, lot of space, fresh air, good schools, shops, churches, Dentist and Doctors surgeries. Scouts, Guides, BB's, etc.,
We did have party line for the phone though; it was a shared line because there just wasn't enough flex in the system for everyone to have a phone...made it kind of surreal, you got to know the other party fairly well :)

There were/are 36 houses in the Crescent where we lived. In my primary school years there were eighty three children. By the time I left secondary school thirty of those children had gone or were on their way to University/seminary or teacher training college. Others went to apprenticeships, nursing, or secretarial schools.

Among the people who lived in the Crescent were four teachers, three miners, two electricians, two joiners, three plumbers, three engineers who worked at Caterpillar, a bookie's runner, a postman, two men who worked on the railways, a book keeper, a lawyer's clerk, two shipyard workers, a hairdresser, two gardeners and a gravedigger.....just ordinary folks.

There's a reason almost every house in that Crescent became owner occupied as soon as the opportunity presented, and why they sell well on the rare occasions that they come on the market. They were and are good houses, with good sized rooms and gardens. Civic amenities readily available, etc., good transport links.

My Dad built a new boat every year, next door neighbour couldn't bed out his crops until the boat got out through his garden :) Next door other side played in a jazz band, my big brother played the pipes, three neighbours played fiddles, and one elderly man played the hammer dulcimer. Four of the houses in the Crescent had pianos. Two neighbours were really 'into cars', every weekend was an education in the disembowelling of motors :) One neighbour bred puppies, and ferrets. People went on holiday, many went abroad. Fashion was a big thing, music was a big thing, especially for the youth, lots of dances and the like.
Some families emigrated, Canada was a big draw, there used to be bus trips full of neighbours going to the airport to see them off.
Politics were and are divisive but there was a lot more discussion rather than media flared fracas.

This was all normal. Nothing unusual. Council houses were normal for the majority of the population. It was better by far than private lets, even if it was sometimes more expensive.

Different times, from this age I can truthfully say they were very different times.

The 1970's hit the whole country. Power cuts, sugar, bread and flour rationed by the shops who could get supplies, same with paraffin and coal.
Folks are adaptable, they managed. No one starved, no one froze to death, no one did without medical care.

Was it easier than things are now ?
No. There was poverty, real grind folks down poverty. It wasn't all rose gardens. Sectarianism and it's violent and aggressive undercurrents were rife. The tribalism of the football, the cultural divisions in peoples origins, drinking was hard and was done in short hours, and that exacerbated the issues.
Very much a, 'hit me and I'll hit you back harder', kind of background. Virtually every man had some military experience. One neighbour had flown spitfires :) One brought home a German wife; she hated it here, said we were ungodly, didn't do anything right. In the end he went back to Germany with her.

I haven't lived there in nearly fifty years, yet I'm still friends with many of the others who grew up in that scheme. Surprising just how many still live threre. On the whole life is for them as it has been for everyone else in the country. Too many have died, already, too many struggled with ill health, too many didn't thrive, but most just got on with things. Most did well. Most travelled, most experienced the wider world, but this area is still home.

I think that's the crux of it all.
We just get on with things. We adapt to the hand we're dealt, we help and are helped, we are part of the whole thing.

I think if you have the mindset that you'll manage, then you will.
Folks aren't stupid, and we have such resources now that were so far beyond anything in the past.
From shared party lines to every child in the land plugged into their own. If you get stuck with your phone, find a child, they'll fix it for you :)

M
 
I think this question is multi faceted and can be geared towards mental attachment and detachment and how one processes that either negatively or positively can dictate if we lament and linger to a pain of regret or if we can process it and be thankful for the things we experience.

Its easy to write that sort of things , far harder to embody it and find peace in it.
 
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I grew up in a Council Scheme...1960's.
Parents too old in their late marriage to qualify for a mortgage, and the only cottages around that they could pay cash for were without built in bathrooms, had stone floors, no central heating, the wiring was , yeah, etc., etc.,

Instead they moved into a brand new three bedroom house with an inside bathroom, laundry/kitchen (double sinks, wringer, etc., all built in. Hot and cold running water (back boiler on the fire, which heated the upstair bedrooms too). Gas (we had a gas fridge/freezer, we could plug in the gas the same way we did with an electric plug, just a bayonet fitting) and electricity all plumbed in. Big gardens (folks still expected to grow food in those days)....and all they had to do was to pay the rent every week.

So they did.

Council schemes weren't poverty. Poverty was those poor benighted souls who couldn't pay the rent.
Council rents weren't cheap; my parents paid as much as a much younger Aunt did for her mortgage.
We had tennis courts, bowling greens, golf course, library, big parks, lot of space, fresh air, good schools, shops, churches, Dentist and Doctors surgeries. Scouts, Guides, BB's, etc.,
We did have party line for the phone though; it was a shared line because there just wasn't enough flex in the system for everyone to have a phone...made it kind of surreal, you got to know the other party fairly well :)

There were/are 36 houses in the Crescent where we lived. In my primary school years there were eighty three children. By the time I left secondary school thirty of those children had gone or were on their way to University/seminary or teacher training college. Others went to apprenticeships, nursing, or secretarial schools.

Among the people who lived in the Crescent were four teachers, three miners, two electricians, two joiners, three plumbers, three engineers who worked at Caterpillar, a bookie's runner, a postman, two men who worked on the railways, a book keeper, a lawyer's clerk, two shipyard workers, a hairdresser, two gardeners and a gravedigger.....just ordinary folks.

There's a reason almost every house in that Crescent became owner occupied as soon as the opportunity presented, and why they sell well on the rare occasions that they come on the market. They were and are good houses, with good sized rooms and gardens. Civic amenities readily available, etc., good transport links.

My Dad built a new boat every year, next door neighbour couldn't bed out his crops until the boat got out through his garden :) Next door other side played in a jazz band, my big brother played the pipes, three neighbours played fiddles, and one elderly man played the hammer dulcimer. Four of the houses in the Crescent had pianos. Two neighbours were really 'into cars', every weekend was an education in the disembowelling of motors :) One neighbour bred puppies, and ferrets. People went on holiday, many went abroad. Fashion was a big thing, music was a big thing, especially for the youth, lots of dances and the like.
Some families emigrated, Canada was a big draw, there used to be bus trips full of neighbours going to the airport to see them off.
Politics were and are divisive but there was a lot more discussion rather than media flared fracas.

This was all normal. Nothing unusual. Council houses were normal for the majority of the population. It was better by far than private lets, even if it was sometimes more expensive.

Different times, from this age I can truthfully say they were very different times.

The 1970's hit the whole country. Power cuts, sugar, bread and flour rationed by the shops who could get supplies, same with paraffin and coal.
Folks are adaptable, they managed. No one starved, no one froze to death, no one did without medical care.

Was it easier than things are now ?
No. There was poverty, real grind folks down poverty. It wasn't all rose gardens. Sectarianism and it's violent and aggressive undercurrents were rife. The tribalism of the football, the cultural divisions in peoples origins, drinking was hard and was done in short hours, and that exacerbated the issues.
Very much a, 'hit me and I'll hit you back harder', kind of background. Virtually every man had some military experience. One neighbour had flown spitfires :) One brought home a German wife; she hated it here, said we were ungodly, didn't do anything right. In the end he went back to Germany with her.

I haven't lived there in nearly fifty years, yet I'm still friends with many of the others who grew up in that scheme. Surprising just how many still live threre. On the whole life is for them as it has been for everyone else in the country. Too many have died, already, too many struggled with ill health, too many didn't thrive, but most just got on with things. Most did well. Most travelled, most experienced the wider world, but this area is still home.

I think that's the crux of it all.
We just get on with things. We adapt to the hand we're dealt, we help and are helped, we are part of the whole thing.

I think if you have the mindset that you'll manage, then you will.
Folks aren't stupid, and we have such resources now that were so far beyond anything in the past.
From shared party lines to every child in the land plugged into their own. If you get stuck with your phone, find a child, they'll fix it for you :)

M
Did a study on Addison Act Houses, "Homes Fit for Heroes"

What you describe is pretty much it.
 
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It was a very different time. Unemployment benefit and Family Allowance (if you had more than one child) and that was it for social handouts. No one got rent paid for them, or reductions on it.

That's maybe something that we're overlooking. No one relied on a hand out. If you didn't have the money for something you didn't have it.
Tick/ credit was not easily available ....what I wrote about my parents not qualifying for a mortgage in their early forties despite having good savings, was very real. It was normal.

There were menages....clubs where everyone paid so much a week for a set number of months and every member got the total to spend in the associated warehouse.....think cash and carry, but for household goods. We still scathingly say of someone poor with money that they couldn't organise a menage.

If you, your society, does not have a culture of government social support, then people mostly make do and manage anyway. Others do suffer horrendous deprivation, but most pick themselves up and get through it.
Social engineering, re housing, education, health, sanitation, clean water supplies, I think those define a civilised society.

Is it a mindset?
I think it is.
Can it be encouraged, learned/taught ?
I think so.
Ought it be discussed, encouraged and taught ?
Yes.
 
It was a very different time. Unemployment benefit and Family Allowance (if you had more than one child) and that was it for social handouts. No one got rent paid for them, or reductions on it.

That's maybe something that we're overlooking. No one relied on a hand out. If you didn't have the money for something you didn't have it.
Tick/ credit was not easily available ....what I wrote about my parents not qualifying for a mortgage in their early forties despite having good savings, was very real. It was normal.

There were menages....clubs where everyone paid so much a week for a set number of months and every member got the total to spend in the associated warehouse.....think cash and carry, but for household goods. We still scathingly say of someone poor with money that they couldn't organise a menage.

If you, your society, does not have a culture of government social support, then people mostly make do and manage anyway. Others do suffer horrendous deprivation, but most pick themselves up and get through it.
Social engineering, re housing, education, health, sanitation, clean water supplies, I think those define a civilised society.

Is it a mindset?
I think it is.
Can it be encouraged, learned/taught ?
I think so.
Ought it be discussed, encouraged and taught ?
Yes.

How would you suggest teaching it?
 
Wondering today.

How folks would cope with the grief of change if they suddenly lost access to the way they have been living their life for decades.....

What has provoked this is a bit of a difficult week. Lost one of our 3 cats to a sudden illness- by the time he showed symptoms it was too late. Although we are both grieving, my other half is struggling particularly..... in large part I thimk because we moved to the new place recently (just under 3 months ago).... moved away from an area where we'd been for aa long time, and he was also brought up in the vicinity.

The issue is change in what was familiar surroundings and routine. It was probably easier for me to adapt as (a) I moved about a lot when I was younger and (b) I spent nearly 3 years working on the renovation.

Time is a healer, as is developing a "new normal." (Albeit the latter takes time to put together and can take significant effort). Trite perhaps- but true all the same.

I am sure that people who have for example been flooded out of their homes feel similarly dislocated and adrift, and so I wonder what it would do to society to have a significant level of negative routine change on a wide basis- especially with folks who have had stable and reasonably comfortable lives- when suddenly the base assumptions of life just.... stop.

It would lead to a form of grief I think, and I wonder how many would become depressed and how many would roll up their sleeves and make the best of things.... suppose it depends on having a direction.

The closest I can think in the UK context is the challenges and dislocation of WW2, but of course then there was a strong propaganda effort to raise morale, a sense of purpose and a level of leadership on a natioanl scale.

Be interested on thoughts of how people might respond in 2025 (or 2039) as compared to the response in 1939......

GC

Really sorry to hear about your cat. They become part of the family and it’s always difficult when you lose a beloved pet.

One thing I think I’ve found helpful throughout life is regularly taking myself out of my comfort zone. It seems to help build a resilience of sorts, and learning to make changes semi regularly in some way or another is something that feels to me like a muscle - use this muscle regularly and it becomes stronger, thus the unexpected changes become just a bit easier to manage.

Also proactively taking care of my mental health. I think of it like a computer or an engine. If you’re constantly running at full capacity, you have nothing left to give when you suddenly need more power. Either the new thing drops and breaks, or something else drops and breaks. Sometimes all of it drops and breaks in a big fireball. Having a bit of free capacity means you can deal with a bit of extra load without the fireball.

That said, grief is a process and an important one to run its course so sometimes as some others have said, time and putting one foot after the other is all that it needs.
 
Wondering today.

How folks would cope with the grief of change if they suddenly lost access to the way they have been living their life for decades.....

I was wondering about something similar. I can't remember why but I was thinking about the benefits of someone who stays local and has the support of local friends & family and they often seem to not realise how lucky they are. Personally I've had to move multiple times and leave everything behind, firstly parents moving when I had close school friends, having to leave home to finish school, then moving myself to get work, then moving to get more work etc before finally settling somewhere 100s of miles away to get somewhere we could afford to settle. This all seems normal to me but plenty of people would not consider moving once or twice let alone several times.

Thinking about it I wouldn't say I was born to move about, I've just done what I've needed to. Perhaps that means I will be able to cope with other large changes or perhaps I was born to cope?
 
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I am having to move 500 miles for my Dream Job...its a big sacrifice.

I may never return to the village of my birth...but then, I might not want to, much as I love it.
 
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I grew up in a Council Scheme...1960's.
Parents too old in their late marriage to qualify for a mortgage, and the only cottages around that they could pay cash for were without built in bathrooms, had stone floors, no central heating, the wiring was , yeah, etc., etc.,
My mum grew up on one, pretty decent semi detached for the day, I would say more internal space than the private houses round here. My grandparents had saved up for a mortgage but defaulted during the depression so lost the house so they had to move into Council, so did my dad after demob, went to live with his sister on the same estate where he met my mum, the original family home had been in the language of the day blitzed. I am living in what was originally a Council flat today, housing association now, I preferred the Council as a landlord they were more approachable.
 
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I was wondering about something similar. I can't remember why but I was thinking about the benefits of someone who stays local and has the support of local friends & family and they often seem to not realise how lucky they are. Personally I've had to move multiple times and leave everything behind, firstly parents moving when I had close school friends, having to leave home to finish school, then moving myself to get work, then moving to get more work etc before finally settling somewhere 100s of miles away to get somewhere we could afford to settle. This all seems normal to me but plenty of people would not consider moving once or twice let alone several times.

Thinking about it I wouldn't say I was born to move about, I've just done what I've needed to. Perhaps that means I will be able to cope with other large changes or perhaps I was born to cope?

Where I live now...if I draw a circle of less than three miles radius, it covers everything from my great grandparents home, and graves, to where my grandparents, parents and my husbands family all lived, where I was born, where my sons were born. I've lived in this area all my life.
I worked away from home for weeks at a time but always this area is home.
The street I live in now there are still six people who were at secondary school with me, and one who was at primary.
To us, this is normal.
My eldest son has just bought a house, it's less than half a mile from where his g.g.grandparents lived.

I keep a decent pantry, I prepare 'just in case', mildly, but I do it. Thing is though, I'm not alone, many of my neighbours and friends do so too.
I sometimes wonder if 'Preppers' pay heed to the society they live in; do they feel any sense of belonging ?

M
 
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