classic case of diffent things for different people, i have a belt kit and the repair items are used all the time when im working, often away from car, head torch, elatehrman, poncho, ducttape, gluesticks etc.. so very heavy on repair items, .and because carrying sharps always FAK on belt , but this kit is for use in a city mostly......... but when im driving 3 miles to aldi with wife, i only take phone and wallet....
Is a psk really needed in the UK?
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classic case of diffent things for different people, i have a belt kit and the repair items are used all the time when im working, often away from car, head torch, elatehrman, poncho, ducttape, gluesticks etc.. so very heavy on repair items, .and because carrying sharps always FAK on belt , but this kit is for use in a city mostly......... but when im driving 3 miles to aldi with wife, i only take phone and wallet....
I don’t carry a psk, but on my person I have my Swiss Army knife, on my keys I have a little leatherman psk or whatever it’s called! And a small torch, all get used regularly so more than happy to carry them.
In the back of my phone I normally carry some cash.
In the back of my phone I normally carry some cash.
I think the EDC has taken the place of the PSK these days for myself to still carry in addition to my penknife torch and lighter, a little tin of ' useful ' bits and pieces - wire, tape, string, glue along with 20p and 50p pieces for public toilets
yes, 40 years ago EDC type stuff wasnt mentioned...
but then back then you didnt have any decent tiny flashlights, a SAK was about it
edc type items, pocket prybars, decent tiny torches, have made having a few usefull everyday items easier to carry...
Maybe it depends on how far you have to travel to your nearest Tescos!
You may need a get home bag or car kit!?
Everything is relative and based in n your own risk assessment.
Did the people going to work in or near the Twin Towers need a kit?
We take many things for granted. Shops will be open, taps have water and air we breathe will keep us alive!
My mobile phone will always work, there’s always Wi-Fi, I have maps and gps!
I don't think I'll be taking a signalling torch, whistle, compass, purifying tablets on the way to the supermarket, no. Different matter if I'm fellwalking.
It's all about definitions, which causes a lot of the confusion and going round in circles in this thread.
I have items about my person all the time which I constantly use- knife, lighter, torch (I live off grid on a building site). EDC in modern terminology.
I keep some things in the car which might be needed, breakdowns or holdups happen so I have tools, food and water, all of which I have used and am likely to use again. Car kit? In modern terminology.
I carry a survival kit of items I never expect to use when heading to remote, extreme country. I take all steps to avoid getting into danger, but illness, injury or unforecast weather mean some select items to increase your chance of rescue and a bit of shelter are a good plan, even if you never need them in a lifetime. PSK, in modern terminology.
If I'm heading up a mountain, I will take the PSK, but I won't keep it on my person daily, or on a shopping trip.
It's all about definitions, which causes a lot of the confusion and going round in circles in this thread.
I have items about my person all the time which I constantly use- knife, lighter, torch (I live off grid on a building site). EDC in modern terminology.
I keep some things in the car which might be needed, breakdowns or holdups happen so I have tools, food and water, all of which I have used and am likely to use again. Car kit? In modern terminology.
I carry a survival kit of items I never expect to use when heading to remote, extreme country. I take all steps to avoid getting into danger, but illness, injury or unforecast weather mean some select items to increase your chance of rescue and a bit of shelter are a good plan, even if you never need them in a lifetime. PSK, in modern terminology.
If I'm heading up a mountain, I will take the PSK, but I won't keep it on my person daily, or on a shopping trip.
some of it depends if you are carrying PSK for yourself, or for possibility of otehr people...
i used the mylar from PSK once when cycling in a city because an old lady collapsed on pavement just in front of me....
was the PSK neccesary, no, but helpfull.....
just saw a video on youtube about crashes on icy roads and there was a 120 car pile up where cars and trucks going to fast, huge knock on crashes as everyone skidded, lots of people had to be taken to hospital because of cold for one thing as loads of people didnt have any emergency kit on their car
so you could PSK isnt needed in most cases in UK< but i think car based kits are......
if you carry out an activity, where by a lack of preparedness/inadequate gear means someone else is impacted, whether its mountain rescue/coastguard/ phone call t parents to have to come to bail you out, then thats a failing on you, relying on a phone for an emergency that could be avoided by carrying appropriate gear seems lazy....
i ve experienced loads of trips/activities/evenings out where things were cut short because someone didnt have the right clothing for the weatehr, had an accident, didnt bring right shoes etc.....
so while not PSK related, it is triggering to see people not prepared, and often the same people are quickly to be sarcastic about your own gear.....may have mentioned this before in this or anotehr thread....
i used the mylar from PSK once when cycling in a city because an old lady collapsed on pavement just in front of me....
was the PSK neccesary, no, but helpfull.....
just saw a video on youtube about crashes on icy roads and there was a 120 car pile up where cars and trucks going to fast, huge knock on crashes as everyone skidded, lots of people had to be taken to hospital because of cold for one thing as loads of people didnt have any emergency kit on their car
so you could PSK isnt needed in most cases in UK< but i think car based kits are......
if you carry out an activity, where by a lack of preparedness/inadequate gear means someone else is impacted, whether its mountain rescue/coastguard/ phone call t parents to have to come to bail you out, then thats a failing on you, relying on a phone for an emergency that could be avoided by carrying appropriate gear seems lazy....
i ve experienced loads of trips/activities/evenings out where things were cut short because someone didnt have the right clothing for the weatehr, had an accident, didnt bring right shoes etc.....
so while not PSK related, it is triggering to see people not prepared, and often the same people are quickly to be sarcastic about your own gear.....may have mentioned this before in this or anotehr thread....
Good points. It all varies with risk. Long winter car journey, a 2-week canoe camping trip... different will-needs, might-needs and hope-never-needs to daily life. The art is selecting a minimum of appropriate items, and knowing how to use them effectively.
If thought about logically, being reasonably well prepared on any car journey makes sense. The car may break down at any point on the journey. Accidents can happen at any time. Big hold ups on fast roads are commonplace. Breakdown cover requires a working phone to act upon, and requires the breakdown service being able to get to you. All a bit fragile, really! I've never headed out by car without adequate clothing to be comfortable outside at the particular time of year, and have kept food, drinking water and tools handy. More kit in winter. In lowland England it's unlikely to be a matter of life and death, but one of comfort and convenience.
Things do seem to have gone downhill a bit with 'EDC' becoming a hobby in itself, and businesses jumping on the resulting appetite in some for mindless consumerism. There are probably plenty of Londoners now who daren't do their commute on the underground without a tactical pry tool with built in bottle opener, or a wifi insulated mug with built in glass breaker, seatbelt cutter and handy carabiner belt clip. Personally I'd rather not take a titanium folding spoon in a bum bag every time I leave the house and just accept that sometimes I can't impulsively buy muller rice 'on the go' and will have to buy some biscuits instead.
As an aside I'm sure buying and carrying excessive quantities of tat in the hope it might make the user a hero is the exact opposite of bushcraft- enjoying wild spaces with minimalist, minimal impact visits, vs. trashing the planet with yet another keyring torch with an ultimately non-replaceable rechargable lithum battery 'cos this one's 1000 lumens brighter and has an extra UV light for detecting scorpions.
If thought about logically, being reasonably well prepared on any car journey makes sense. The car may break down at any point on the journey. Accidents can happen at any time. Big hold ups on fast roads are commonplace. Breakdown cover requires a working phone to act upon, and requires the breakdown service being able to get to you. All a bit fragile, really! I've never headed out by car without adequate clothing to be comfortable outside at the particular time of year, and have kept food, drinking water and tools handy. More kit in winter. In lowland England it's unlikely to be a matter of life and death, but one of comfort and convenience.
Things do seem to have gone downhill a bit with 'EDC' becoming a hobby in itself, and businesses jumping on the resulting appetite in some for mindless consumerism. There are probably plenty of Londoners now who daren't do their commute on the underground without a tactical pry tool with built in bottle opener, or a wifi insulated mug with built in glass breaker, seatbelt cutter and handy carabiner belt clip. Personally I'd rather not take a titanium folding spoon in a bum bag every time I leave the house and just accept that sometimes I can't impulsively buy muller rice 'on the go' and will have to buy some biscuits instead.
As an aside I'm sure buying and carrying excessive quantities of tat in the hope it might make the user a hero is the exact opposite of bushcraft- enjoying wild spaces with minimalist, minimal impact visits, vs. trashing the planet with yet another keyring torch with an ultimately non-replaceable rechargable lithum battery 'cos this one's 1000 lumens brighter and has an extra UV light for detecting scorpions.
Even in lowland england, my motehr used to carry sleepig bag, camping bed and food and stove because she often got trapepd at work if it snowed, as couldnt leave the valley...
Part of it is i woudlnt want to buy a bottle of water, pills or even plasters from a shop if ive already got them at home, i hate the idea of waste
but I am huilty of upgrading flashlights etc when i already have a working one....
some edc colelcting is a honny for some people, ot much difference from any hobby colelcting, the amount people spend on bling for their motorbikes, or footbal season tickets, or even streaming video subsciptions
if soemthing makes a person happy, no harm... some of the edc tools are usefull, but some of the gucci titanium ones are expensive for what they are....especially the ones found on kickstarter
Also bear in mind wheile this is the bushcraft forum, a lot of PSK?EDC items are used by ultralight hikers, climbers, survivalists/preppers who often have different thoughts regards to nature than bushcrafters.
Part of it is i woudlnt want to buy a bottle of water, pills or even plasters from a shop if ive already got them at home, i hate the idea of waste
but I am huilty of upgrading flashlights etc when i already have a working one....
some edc colelcting is a honny for some people, ot much difference from any hobby colelcting, the amount people spend on bling for their motorbikes, or footbal season tickets, or even streaming video subsciptions
if soemthing makes a person happy, no harm... some of the edc tools are usefull, but some of the gucci titanium ones are expensive for what they are....especially the ones found on kickstarter
Also bear in mind wheile this is the bushcraft forum, a lot of PSK?EDC items are used by ultralight hikers, climbers, survivalists/preppers who often have different thoughts regards to nature than bushcrafters.
This is why I always ensure I have my heliograph about my person. Unlimited character messaging!Maybe it depends on how far you have to travel to your nearest Tescos!
You may need a get home bag or car kit!?
Everything is relative and based in n your own risk assessment.
Did the people going to work in or near the Twin Towers need a kit?
We take many things for granted. Shops will be open, taps have water and air we breathe will keep us alive!
My mobile phone will always work, there’s always Wi-Fi, I have maps and gps!
But yes, you are right. Part of the reason I carry small amount of cash.
