Not that I am disagreeing, but I am not convinced that that particular video wasn't staged.
That does sound a terrible and a horrendous experience for those women, which clearly makes the use and rightful implementation of a safe space absolutely justified.
Safe spaces must ONLY be used in absolute and extreme circumstances before it slowly become misused.
The danger of unjustifiable Safe Spaces and calling for them to be created and maintained from certain parties is that it again creates a element of segregation based upon individualistic characteristics.
As an example certain elements of society feel that language is no longer just language but can at some points become violence - not a notion I necessarily believe after giving it some serious thought.
So by conflating & confusing Language = Violence a dangerous threshold is presented that some language and ideas are violent or dangerous and suddenly people start needing safe spaces from ideas...
If you think I'm speaking hyperbolically.
There are plenty more examples out there , I've restrained from posting as the above makes the point for what i'm trying to put forth.
TRUE safe spaces are needed and should be upheld , but they need a very real and unified cross census of opinions to allow for the creation in the first place.
If you can't possess a willing and open mind to broad spectrum challenging new thoughts and concepts on a University , where can you?
If you've not noticed the entire thread has been political. Nothing has been said regarding that.Taken off a quick google search. Probably not a great idea to start posting sensationalised, politically biased videos on an open bushcraft forum.
The issue that I have has more to do with the source of your video.If you've not noticed the entire thread has been political. Nothing has been said regarding that.
The Video I posted is an example of the mentality and the potential abuse of Safes Spaces going forward in a context of a relevant conversation with one of the participants.
As I mentioned numerous other examples out there - not from PragerU if that is specifically what upsets you but many demonstrating examples of what was being discussed.
The issue that I have has more to do with the source of your video.
The discontent towards the Guardian article was made clear by those who disliked the source. I do not agree with every point of view portrayed by the Guardian, but I do consider them a more reputable source of news and current affairs than a "media company" that spends thousands creating youtube videos.So you can't deal with or comment upon what is specifically in front of you- - the content of what is being said in the video or the behaviour & thinking displayed.
Because you doubt/dislike/disregard the whom the video is associated with.
Ok - Now I see where you are coming from.
The initial article quoted from was the Guardian , - I'm not their biggest fan. Its still the content and context we are however discussing.
The issue that I have has more to do with the source of your video.
As a middle aged white bloke I don't really have first hand experience of why people like me form the majority in this activity. I do not think this makes me best qualified to come up with ways to encourage people from other demographics, other than being welcoming when I encounter them.
I would like to think so, but I have my doubts that this will prove satisfactory in all cases....
I think this is the most simple and forward moving method for encouraging diversity in any field.. treat people as you would like to be treated.
One of my friends has Asperger's and I have had many interesting conversations with them about their experiences and view points. One of these conversations shed some light on a situation at work where I and others had long had difficulties with a particular co-worker. This colleague exhibited many of the characteristics that my friend described, and I decided to try an approach my friend said worked. My manager didn't think that it was right for me to treat that co-worker differently, but it turned out that the approach worked and cut the number of disagreements and frustration all around on the project
I think that is sometimes called emotional intelligence or at least it is close to that. One behaves differently according to the way people react. There are people who are very good at it, there are also people who have no idea why they should change the way they behave.The joke was read by me and some others as being aimed at a piece of usually recalcitrant machinery, but it was also read as sexist and aimed at a person.
All things related to human nature comes down to cognitive dissonance.All this talk about encouraging more people of different groups to enjoy bushcraft put me in mind of the growing interest and work to get more women interested and participating in hunting.
I read about this years ago and it made good sense. That may seem strange for me to say, following some of my earlier comments in this thread, so let me explain. As a middle aged white bloke I don't really have first hand experience of why people like me form the majority in this activity. I do not think this makes me best qualified to come up with ways to encourage people from other demographics, other than being welcoming when I encounter them. In the case of women in hunting, the groups have been put together by women, and are able to articulate and detail what barriers and challenges they are trying to overcome.
Mod hat on.
Regarding this thread being political. When the forum was started and the rules were created, I doubt anyone would have thought that "politics" would become part of so many other subjects. Lots of subjects of discussion can have a political element, for example we have had discussion about the Covid pandemic, climate change, protests and petitions, land ownership and access, fall out as a result of Brexit, legality of knives in different situations. It is a fine line to tread between having the discussions, but not going down paths that exacerbate divisions. I would like to think we have managed pretty well so far, but I know some will think we have been too restrictive and some probably think we haven't been restrictive enough.
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As someone who has watched their share of US sourced conservative videos, I am aware of some of the debate about safe spaces and free speech on university campuses there. I would have a hard time finding a video that I would be comfortable using as an example though since so many are presented by proponents of one position over the other.
That particular video seemed too clean, to neat, too perfect, to me. I have seen video when security has been called at other events and the camera work was shaky, the audio was bad, it was all action. Here everyone was calm and everyone posed for the camera, and there was no crowd. I have no evidence it was staged other than it looking so perfect that it could have been staged.
I would have preferred an example from a source that was not so invested in making the opposing group look stupid. Also, this thread is about bushcraft in the UK, so a video about conservative free speech on US universities is going quite a way off topic. I am not a particular fan of the Guardian, but at least its article was related to the UK.