Actually, I completely forgot to talk about that to Pumbaa todayNickBristol said:
I don't have a camera on my N.V. scope, but I know some friends with an N.V. capable camcorder How big do fox get ?
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I don't have a camera on my N.V. scope, but I know some friends with an N.V. capable camcorder FeralSheryl and steven andrews have come up with the nearest to what i saw , but i would say it wasnt quite so lanky and a lot stockyer . Very wolf like i suppose but reds and browns as opposed to greys, whites and blacks .
Just going to check on google to see if there is such thing as a brown wolf !
Pumbaa
Just going to check on google to see if there is such thing as a brown wolf !
Pumbaa
Now thats weird , i come back on here to post this
http://www.mnh2.si.edu/education/mna/images/images/815432214160015.jpg
and you beat me to it !
if i hadn't read how rare they are i would say that was what i saw . Right size , shape and colouring . How likely is that though ?
Pumbaa
http://www.mnh2.si.edu/education/mna/images/images/815432214160015.jpg
and you beat me to it !
if i hadn't read how rare they are i would say that was what i saw . Right size , shape and colouring . How likely is that though ?
Pumbaa
The animal I saw last night was definitely a fox. Nose, ears, brush, black feet and all, but it was big, not with those lanky, horse style legs of the S. American wolf thing and it didn't have the maned look of the other wolf either.
Maybe the foxes are just getting better feeding and less persecution....this one has an entire country park complete with a loch, several ponds and three rivers, and surrounding suburbs to feed in, and presumably it's parents did too.
One of the local poachers says he came across a roe deer carcass with two foxes at it. There's nothing else in the wild apart from us taking them down; maybe there's a niche to be filled. ......if they can learn to avoid the cars!
Cheers,
Toddy
Maybe the foxes are just getting better feeding and less persecution....this one has an entire country park complete with a loch, several ponds and three rivers, and surrounding suburbs to feed in, and presumably it's parents did too.
One of the local poachers says he came across a roe deer carcass with two foxes at it. There's nothing else in the wild apart from us taking them down; maybe there's a niche to be filled.
......if they can learn to avoid the cars! Cheers,
Toddy
There are a lot of deer round here too ,including muntjack . Plenty of rabbits and a land fill site too scavenge from .Whatever it was it was big and strong looking (for a fox anyway) . If it is a wolf then it wasnt long legged but certainly well built , but still agile as it ducked under a barbed wire fence at a run without leaveing fur on the fence !!
how confused am i ?
Pumbaa
how confused am i ?
Pumbaa
I think that's just the description...this beast too, "looked big and strong".
It louped the fence like a fox though, just a h*lluva big one!
Cheers,
Toddy
It louped the fence like a fox though, just a h*lluva big one!
Cheers,
Toddy
pumbaa, it may well use the same area/tracks all the time, see if you can get down there and sort out some kind of track trap/sand trap for it. The trap may have to be there for a week or so.
At least that way you may be able to get pictures of the prints, a good clear defined print in sand would be quite easy to identify, the likelihood of getting a good print is not brilliant, but it is somewhere to start.
If you layed it before dark and checked it in the morning and then again before dark it would give you a bracket as far as time is concerned as well. This may allow you to get a better look at it by frequenting the same place in the same time frame as it may be there (don't forget your camera).
Just a couple of suggestions, Leon
At least that way you may be able to get pictures of the prints, a good clear defined print in sand would be quite easy to identify, the likelihood of getting a good print is not brilliant, but it is somewhere to start.
If you layed it before dark and checked it in the morning and then again before dark it would give you a bracket as far as time is concerned as well. This may allow you to get a better look at it by frequenting the same place in the same time frame as it may be there (don't forget your camera
).Just a couple of suggestions, Leon
I would say staggeringly unlikely. Mind you, secret re-breeding programs have happened in the past, and wild animals are very good at escaping, so nothing is ever impossible no matter how unlikelypumbaa said:
I had a word with some of the guys in the field target club i belong to (i know that they shoot fox ) and apparently there are some very big dog foxes about in our area . So it seems most likely that that is what i saw .
I have been down there with the camera (only shot i will take on a fox) at similar times but have not seen hide nor hair of it yet .
Pumbaa
I have been down there with the camera (only shot i will take on a fox) at similar times but have not seen hide nor hair of it yet .
Pumbaa
pumbaa said:
The only animal with fox colouring of that size in the uk is a deer. Could you have got the size right but the animal wrong due to dimishing light levels? Now I'm not suggesting you would normall confuse a fox with a deer, but the brain can play tricks. I know mine does.
There was very little in the way of tracks that i could find (but then my tracking is rather poor) . The ground although sandyish was rather hard and there are a lot of tracks from dogwalkers and horses . I did find a small tuft of hair on the fence it went under though , it was grey on the base with a redish brown end . Oh yeah it didnt smell too nice either !
Pumbaa
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We had an escaped crocodile in the Stour back inthe 70's so anything's possible. Was there for a few summer months living off fish til they captured it...
I was talking to a friend who knows much more about foxes than I do and apparently under good conditions dog foxes this sort of size are a lot more common that we sometimes realise and she reckoms that that was what it was.
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