Home Security Cameras on Amazon

[spader]

Yeah, the WiFi security home cameras seem to be very popular these days.
Just ordered a door bell camera with talking facility.
And also an ieGeek WiFi home security camera for outdoors with rechargeable battery.

The ieGeek will be installed on the top of the wooden shed to face the path from the entrance and to the driveway into the back garden where the sheds are. So, it will not be facing any of the other residential houses. So it won't have any possible others privacy breach problems.

The doorbell camera will be attached at the front entrance door, so it won't be facing any other houses either as the hedge in the front garden will block the view to the outside of the house.

Just hoping that they will work OK.

 

[NotSafeForWork]

The Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development) (England) Order 2015

This instrument consolidates with amendments, in relation to England, the Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development) Order 1995 and subsequent amending instruments and revokes in relation to England the instruments listed in Schedule 4.

www.legislation.gov.uk

 

[Stew]

The Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development) (England) Order 2015

This instrument consolidates with amendments, in relation to England, the Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development) Order 1995 and subsequent amending instruments and revokes in relation to England the instruments listed in Schedule 4.

www.legislation.gov.uk

Interesting. 2015 though so I’m hoping it’s somewhat outdated now. I had 64 cameras installed at work over the last year and barely any would meet that criteria….

 

[Broch]

Very interesting! Many domestic camera installations involve a number of cameras, mounted in near vicinity, pointing in different directions!

 

[TeeDee]

Interesting. 2015 though so I’m hoping it’s somewhat outdated now. I had 64 cameras installed at work over the last year and barely any would meet that criteria….

64???

Heck.

 

[Stew]

64???

Heck.

Yep.

Admittedly a third (ish) are on the inside so doesn’t fall into the same rules but that’s still more than ‘is allowed’ from that.

I’m close to getting another unit to give capacity for another batch.

 

[Stew]

Very interesting! Many domestic camera installations involve a number of cameras, mounted in near vicinity, pointing in different directions!

I’ve never seen this before and surprised it didn’t come up when we were installing as we had to submit details to the ICO.

 

[C_Claycomb]

The school I went to as a lad now has enough clusters of cameras to do a good impression of a high security prison. Definitely not in line with that document. That document appears to prohibit Ring doorbell cameras on the grounds that they are near the ground.

 

[spader]

If a delivery man came to the door to deliver goods and rang the door bell triggering the door bell cam to record the motion detection, and saved the image of the detection in the cloud storage, then could he complain that his privacy was breached by the door bell cam recording? What would be the privacy legal implications and having and running the house security devices such as door bell cam?

 

[mrmike]

If a delivery man came to the door to deliver goods and rang the door bell triggering the door bell cam to record the motion detection, and saved the image of the detection in the cloud storage, then could he complain that his privacy was breached by the door bell cam recording? What would be the privacy legal implications and having and running the house security devices such as door bell cam?

If a delivery driver was to complain about such a thing, my argument would be "how many cameras have you been recorded on just making your way to work this morning, before even picking up my package?"

 

[Wildgoose]

If a delivery man came to the door to deliver goods and rang the door bell triggering the door bell cam to record the motion detection, and saved the image of the detection in the cloud storage, then could he complain that his privacy was breached by the door bell cam recording? What would be the privacy legal implications and having and running the house security devices such as door bell cam?

You have a duty to retain the image for no longer than necessary which is why most systems overwrite after a period of days.
He could ask to see the image and he could ask for it to be deleted but not much else.
Most systems come with signage (even just a sticker) that inform any persons entering your property that cctv is in use, essentially they are therefore consenting to be on cctv by entering your premises.

 

[NotSafeForWork]

Interesting. 2015 though so I’m hoping it’s somewhat outdated now. I had 64 cameras installed at work over the last year and barely any would meet that criteria….

"Changes to legislation:​

There are currently no known outstanding effects for the The Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development) (England) Order 2015, Cross Heading: Class F – closed circuit television cameras."

Also non domestic systems liable to" Subject Access Requests"

 

[slowworm]

Having made a serious complaint to the ICO I wouldn't be worried at all about using CCTV at home.

The ICO did not seem to understand the law it was meant to enforce and even where it agreed with me on numerous points it did nothing to help resolve my case other than to make recommendations to the organisation involved, which they simply ignored.

Just looking at the Trustpilot reviews for the ICO will show what most people think of them.

Basically in the above example the courier would have to take their own legal action against you. Which due to the expense it would be very unlikely.

 

[NotSafeForWork]

Exactly lots of laws and lots of zero accountability to them.

 

[gra_farmer]

I use Eufy, and really happy with them. The only problem is that you need to have constant power to the wifi and home base...for that reason we are looking at a wired in system for the main alarm now, with the Eufy CCTV as backup to record the moments.

As for the discussion about privacy, my cameras are positioned to overlook my land only, and if someone came to my door, they are entering my property, and I clearly have signs up stating that CCTV is in place.

 

[spader]

My doorbell cam and WiFi cam in the garden mounted on the shed, have been running for almost a week now. They seem to be working fine giving really sharp images, and working as expected on the movement detection and recording the movements etc.

Only thing I am not sure is the battery power. They are running under the rechargeable battery built in the cams, and supposed to last 6 month. But after a week, the battery indicator on the Apps say, the WiFi cam has about 65% left, and doorbell cam has 85%.

But apart from that, they are great thing to have. Anyone coming into the property is in the cam, and recordings. Next day after quick checking, the images are deleted, if no problems.

I was even able to see what is happening around the house via the apps in my phone, when we were 30 miles away visiting relatives over the weekend.

 

[Chris]

If a delivery man came to the door to deliver goods and rang the door bell triggering the door bell cam to record the motion detection, and saved the image of the detection in the cloud storage, then could he complain that his privacy was breached by the door bell cam recording? What would be the privacy legal implications and having and running the house security devices such as door bell cam?

They gave no right to privacy in a public place. You could stand outside on the pavement with a camcorder filming them if you wanted and you’d be well within your rights to do so.

 

[spader]

They gave no right to privacy in a public place. You could stand outside on the pavement with a camcorder filming them if you wanted and you’d be well within your rights to do so.

Yes, this was the point of concern before installing the cams. So, we were trying to clarify on the legal points where it stands. It seems to be within the legality to run the cams in the gardens and on the front door detecting the motions and recording the images automatically into the cloud service.

After all, it isn't us triggering the cams, but others entering the property, and it is being done as part of the security system for entirely protecting the property, not for any other purposes.

 

[Broch]

I was told that I must put up signs if my CCTV covers public areas. This is the summary I have:

1. If You Are a Private Individual (Domestic CCTV Use)​

• Exemption for purely private use: If the CCTV only captures your own property, it is not subject to UK GDPR.
• However, if it captures public space (e.g., pavements, roads, neighbours' properties), you must comply with UK GDPR and Data Protection Act 2018 because you are processing personal data.

Your Responsibilities If Capturing Public Space​

• Have a legitimate reason for using CCTV.
• Minimise intrusion: Adjust the camera angle to avoid excessive coverage of public areas.
• Put up signs to inform people they are being recorded.
• Limit access to footage and only use it for the intended purpose (e.g., security).
• Do not share recordings unnecessarily (only share with authorities when legally required).
• Respond to data subject requests: People have a right to ask for a copy of footage if they are recorded.

2. If You Are a Business or Organization​

• You must register with the ICO as a data controller.
• You must conduct a Data Protection Impact Assessment (DPIA) to justify the CCTV use.
• Follow strict data security rules, including restricted access and storage limits.
• Public signage is required stating who is operating the CCTV and why.

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