If you buy that knife you become Ray Mears:yelrotflm :yelrotflm :yelrotflm
I will stick to my Mora.
I will stick to my Mora.
Has the world gone mad!!!
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Argubly one of the finest blades ever produced 'Discuss'
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Argubly one of the finest blades ever produced 'Discuss'
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Just supposing you owned one (I don't by the way) and wanted to get rid of it to afford something else..
Would you
A, Sell it for what you paid for it, knowing full well that theres people out there who are willing to pay far more than that or...
B, Take advantage of the sellers market and get as much for it as you can, that way you can afford another two posh knives, an axe and still have enough change leftover for a pint and a bag of chips?
Unless you are selling it to a good friend, I suspect that B is the way anyone in their right mind would do it and am surprised that Alan Wood hasn't bumped up his prices as soon as he realised he had a long waiting list.
He, after all will have to pay for a house, kids? and food just like anyone else and even though he isn't seling them for anything like as much money I don't suppose these threads are doing his advertising any harm.
Although I wouldn't pay anything like that kind of cash for a knife I still don't see why anyone has a problem with it In every field of human endeavour theres someone making money out of some aspect of it, why not this?
The very fact of these threads is that people find the items on Ebay using keywords like *Bushcraft* *woodlore* or whatever which shows just how bothered you lot are about getting one anyway.
If its to much cash for you to pay, don't whine about it, just don't buy it and get something else as theres plenty choice.
Jeez, its not rocket science is it.
Would you
A, Sell it for what you paid for it, knowing full well that theres people out there who are willing to pay far more than that or...
B, Take advantage of the sellers market and get as much for it as you can, that way you can afford another two posh knives, an axe and still have enough change leftover for a pint and a bag of chips?
Unless you are selling it to a good friend, I suspect that B is the way anyone in their right mind would do it and am surprised that Alan Wood hasn't bumped up his prices as soon as he realised he had a long waiting list.
He, after all will have to pay for a house, kids? and food just like anyone else and even though he isn't seling them for anything like as much money I don't suppose these threads are doing his advertising any harm.
Although I wouldn't pay anything like that kind of cash for a knife I still don't see why anyone has a problem with it
In every field of human endeavour theres someone making money out of some aspect of it, why not this?The very fact of these threads is that people find the items on Ebay using keywords like *Bushcraft* *woodlore* or whatever which shows just how bothered you lot are about getting one anyway.
If its to much cash for you to pay, don't whine about it, just don't buy it and get something else as theres plenty choice.
Jeez, its not rocket science is it.
It's not the money that I am really all that bothered about to be quite honest. I know some people have loads of cash and won't even worry about spending that sort of money on an item that will probably never bite into wood. It's the affect it then has on the waiting list, which makes the wait even longer for somebody who wants the knife. Saying that, I've waited a very long time for a knife, not an AW knife by the way. I know the reason I get so p'ed off with it, it is because people are taking advantage of others, I don't like it and it's as simple as that.
Well, my view of the world says, for that kind of money, you can get pretty much any knife in any material you want made to your own design. The Woodlore is "okay" as a knife and Alan is a competent maker. I personally think fit and finish is better on stu mitchell's knives (and Shinkens or Singeblisters come to that). I can't undersatnd why someone pays that when they could have an absolute top end knife made to their own design for less.
However good luck to them if thats what they want to do
Red
However good luck to them if thats what they want to do
Red
MagiKelly
Making memories since '67
I trust you are highlighting this to applaud his generosity at selling a knife for £150 LESS than he could get on ebay for it. My house has increased in value in excess of £200,000 since I bought it. I am I required morally to sell it for what I paid instead of the market value?
I can't see who is being taken advantage of here. We all have the choice of buying from Alan Wood with the associated wait, buying for another maker or paying a premium to get a knife straight away. All fair and above board.
In saying that I do think the seller is taking advantage in using Woodlore in his heading but at least he does not claim it is the Ray Mears knife in the text.
It's all down to speculators, it happens in many markets, housingand land, cars and bikes and in knives, some people will always be prepared to spend more on something if it means they can have what they want straight away, i've payed 10% more for an item that is in stock with one place when i could have waited a month and saved the cash. Nowhere near the markup that this thread is on about but still more.
Audi's R8 already has a year or so waiting list, but if you look about there are already adverts for delivery milage models at big markup's. This happens with almost every prestige car that comes out. The moneys there to be made so people will take it, it life unfortunatly. Can't see why knives should be any different :tapedshut
Audi's R8 already has a year or so waiting list, but if you look about there are already adverts for delivery milage models at big markup's. This happens with almost every prestige car that comes out. The moneys there to be made so people will take it, it life unfortunatly. Can't see why knives should be any different :tapedshut
I am one of these people who have put up a couple of AW knives on the bay. I waited 18 months for both of them and when the time came I was not 100% happy with the design and sold one to fund the purchase of two customs from Stu Mitchell. I've also had older Woodlores and WS Woodlores which I have used and sold on, due to my gaining preference for RWL34. Yeah, sold them on ebay, got a small fortune and spent them on more kit and a holiday. I also have an antler handled instructor Woodlore that I could get a small fortune for, and I would, but I made Alan a promise that I'd never sell it on and I'm solid on that promise as he had someone cross him before. He now will never rehandle a Woodlore in antler due to this.
As far as people putting their names down on the list with the intention to sell on for profit, this is wrong as it stops those who want to buy and use one. Then again, it is a bonus for the collectors out there, as this supply and demand will only strengthen the price of their safe queens.
I have nothing against anyone selling their own knives for profit, and the guy selling that BB Bushcrafter probably paid near enough the price he is asking anyway, as are 50% of the people out there. Swings n' roundabouts.
As far as people putting their names down on the list with the intention to sell on for profit, this is wrong as it stops those who want to buy and use one. Then again, it is a bonus for the collectors out there, as this supply and demand will only strengthen the price of their safe queens.
I have nothing against anyone selling their own knives for profit, and the guy selling that BB Bushcrafter probably paid near enough the price he is asking anyway, as are 50% of the people out there. Swings n' roundabouts.
at the end of the day all you are paying for is a name nothing more,its like buying jeans from armini or asda both are the same quality, but one has a name and can be shown off as such, i own a so and so,i make and sell knives for a living as all the other makers out there,all you can do to the steel is heat treat and temper, to the levels required for the purpose of the knife,no matter who is the maker you can only achieve the same,no maker can achieve a better blade than another, as in a bushcraft knife a rc reading of 58/59 thats it,no more can be done ,its down to then blade shape,grinds, thickness, handle shape, handle material ect or i own a so and so
As long as there's threads like this, often started by people who input *Bushcraft* *Ray mears* *woodlore* *Alan wood* or whatever into Ebay looking for a knife this will continue.
This thread is actually making the "problem" worse and the profits of those selling them better.
If you look at the typical markup that jewellers make its about the same, they buy the item, bung a fairly massive price hike on it then sell it on.
I go to work and build houses to make enough money to live you lot do other work, some people sell things to make profit.
Have any of you ever heard the term "market forces" before?
People are prepared to pay extra so they can jump the que, so what?
The only person I see here thats shooting himself in the foot is Alan Wood, he has a massive waiting list and can't meet production on this item.
Now,If I was in the same situation the thing to do would be to hike the prices till I achieved a happy medium (happy for me by the way) of having enough work to keep me going and getting paid well, so I can afford to pay the mortgage and put diesel in the van, maybe even buy an 1100 engine for my 750.
Every single one of you wants to be well paid and have a better life, why on earth do you think that anyone else should do it differently just because they are selling your precious knives?
There are times when I am willing to work for nothing but thats for friends or if I feel that I am learning a valuable skill.
I personally would work for nowt (diesel paid though) on a local strawbuilt house (just weekends mind, cos I still have a house to pay for) in order to gain a better understanding of them, as a carpenter (not wishing to blow my own trumpet but quite a good one at that) it would be good to learn more about them.
Demand create's price, you all work to get cash to live, lets face it for most of you "Bushcraft" is an interesting hobby (its interesting for me too) that you do on your quiet time.
If you don't want to pay that much (I don't either) then don't, get a knife off someone else. There is honestly a big choice out there and you could live a long life without needing anything "Better" than a Mora.
Regards Scott.
This thread is actually making the "problem" worse and the profits of those selling them better.
If you look at the typical markup that jewellers make its about the same, they buy the item, bung a fairly massive price hike on it then sell it on.
I go to work and build houses to make enough money to live you lot do other work, some people sell things to make profit.
Have any of you ever heard the term "market forces" before?
People are prepared to pay extra so they can jump the que, so what?
The only person I see here thats shooting himself in the foot is Alan Wood, he has a massive waiting list and can't meet production on this item.
Now,If I was in the same situation the thing to do would be to hike the prices till I achieved a happy medium (happy for me by the way) of having enough work to keep me going and getting paid well, so I can afford to pay the mortgage and put diesel in the van, maybe even buy an 1100 engine for my 750.
Every single one of you wants to be well paid and have a better life, why on earth do you think that anyone else should do it differently just because they are selling your precious knives?
There are times when I am willing to work for nothing but thats for friends or if I feel that I am learning a valuable skill.
I personally would work for nowt (diesel paid though) on a local strawbuilt house (just weekends mind, cos I still have a house to pay for) in order to gain a better understanding of them, as a carpenter (not wishing to blow my own trumpet but quite a good one at that) it would be good to learn more about them.
Demand create's price, you all work to get cash to live, lets face it for most of you "Bushcraft" is an interesting hobby (its interesting for me too) that you do on your quiet time.
If you don't want to pay that much (I don't either) then don't, get a knife off someone else. There is honestly a big choice out there and you could live a long life without needing anything "Better" than a Mora.
Regards Scott.
I actually disagree with this, there is a difference in quality. Sure, you will pay extra for the Armani tag, but like comparing a Rotary to a Rolex, there are vast differences in terms of quality. And you pay for a name that has been earnt from making quality items. But it's not the retail price we are looking at here, it's the secondary market. It's like collectors of comics, a first edition Batman comic is worth over a million, but it is not the quality of the story or paper or art that you are looking at (which is inferior compared to a modern comic), it is the rarity and the high demand for the thing that increases the price. Personally, I think paying more than a quid for a comic is daft, but then those people would laugh at me for buying a £280 quid knife. We are all different, and if it makes someone happy to own an object they can afford, I can't knock them.
i disagree as there is no difference in the spec and quality of a knife, but do agree age and rarity mean knives can realise a higher price from certain makers.no better quality the same as others but again its the name people want,there knives can't be made any sharper
I don't understand how you can say that there is no difference in quality between knives and/or knifemakers, of course there is. An Alan Wood knife is an extremely well finished knife. Even if you compare it to a knife of the same pattern and materials like the WS Woodlore, the quality difference is huge, and the WS is a well made knife in it's own right. It's not a case of sharpness, although edge holding ability and retention come into play.
I have no idea how I even came into this discussion. I do like a good custom made knife to use in the field, it gives me an added pleasure to use it and it becomes more personal to me than just a tool, and makes the experience of using it that much more rewarding. It enhances the journey from stick to spoon. I could do the same thing with a mora. I could also drive to work in a Ford Ka too, but personally I prefer to do it in a Lotus, it's better for me.
And on that note I'm going to have a drink and wax my Woody
I don't understand how you can say that there is no difference in quality between knives and/or knifemakers, of course there is. An Alan Wood knife is an extremely well finished knife. Even if you compare it to a knife of the same pattern and materials like the WS Woodlore, the quality difference is huge, and the WS is a well made knife in it's own right. It's not a case of sharpness, although edge holding ability and retention come into play.
I have no idea how I even came into this discussion. I do like a good custom made knife to use in the field, it gives me an added pleasure to use it and it becomes more personal to me than just a tool, and makes the experience of using it that much more rewarding. It enhances the journey from stick to spoon. I could do the same thing with a mora. I could also drive to work in a Ford Ka too, but personally I prefer to do it in a Lotus, it's better for me.
And on that note I'm going to have a drink and wax my Woody
please explain to me as a maker, that any other handmade knife blade ground heat treated and tempered to an rc of 58/59 is any better quality than any other makers,if i sent you 5 blades off different makers with know makers mark on the blade, could you say what blade was made by who ?and i guarantee all the blades would be of the highest quality ,so were back to designer name
rancid badger
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
In some ways, I'm pleased I didn't spend the £165 I think the woodlore was going for at the time I was considering buying one.I had saved the cash and I actually phoned up to place an order.You know what put me off? the 9months + waiting time.
I have tried the Alan Wood woodlore in the field since and to be honest, really don't like it. I much prefer my ugly little, home made knife which cost me nothing to make.
It's already been said by some very experienced hands on here; there are much better tools available cheaper.
Mind you, I missed a trick there because today I could have sold it for a nice profit and bought a load of gear to allow me to make what ever I like!
As for the world going mad etc. probably
If you have the money and fancy something like that then go ahead, make some ones day!
As I say, I find I don't like them so don't buy one simply because Ray Mears uses one, As I almost did!
Try to make sure it's right for you first.( not always easy!)
regards
R. B.
I have tried the Alan Wood woodlore in the field since and to be honest, really don't like it. I much prefer my ugly little, home made knife which cost me nothing to make.
It's already been said by some very experienced hands on here; there are much better tools available cheaper.
Mind you, I missed a trick there because today I could have sold it for a nice profit and bought a load of gear to allow me to make what ever I like!
As for the world going mad etc. probably
If you have the money and fancy something like that then go ahead, make some ones day!
As I say, I find I don't like them so don't buy one simply because Ray Mears uses one, As I almost did!
Try to make sure it's right for you first.( not always easy!)
regards
R. B.
In some ways, I'm pleased I didn't spend the £165 I think the woodlore was going for at the time I was considering buying one.I had saved the cash and I actually phoned up to place an order.You know what put me off? the 9months + waiting time.
I have tried the Alan Wood woodlore in the field since and to be honest, really don't like it. I much prefer my ugly little, home made knife which cost me nothing to make.
It's already been said by some very experienced hands on here; there are much better tools available cheaper.
Mind you, I missed a trick there because today I could have sold it for a nice profit and bought a load of gear to allow me to make what ever I like!
As for the world going mad etc. probably
If you have the money and fancy something like that then go ahead, make some ones day!
As I say, I find I don't like them so don't buy one simply because Ray Mears uses one, As I almost did!
Try to make sure it's right for you first.( not always easy!)
regards
R. B.
nice to here someone tell the truth and decide on the tool of there choice not a name
Plus sometimes mass production actually means that the product is better controlled.
if you make one item its a fair thing to say that its not as well made as a batch.
just because something is hand made doesn't mean its better made, I make things by hand every working day but even I have to admit that.
The prototype is almost always worse than the production item because on the production item you get to perfect it.
Does a Rolex tell better time than a Rotary? Or Timex for that matter?
I know what I would rather own but thats just on a "value" aspect, I bet that the timex tells the time as well as the Rolex.
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