Wayne said:
But if you look at the poll thread http://www.bushcraftuk.net/community/showthread.php?t=3214
the majority do not support a ban.
Bill
Fox hunting, banned.
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But if you look at the poll thread http://www.bushcraftuk.net/community/showthread.php?t=3214
the majority do not support a ban.
Bill
Well in the Poll, i was forced to vote to keep Fox hunting- for the "what ever reason" clause, as I don't want to see hunting with Dogs banned.
I would like to see the one sided non sporting fox hunt changed.
just my 2 ps worth :?:
Rich
I would like to see the one sided non sporting fox hunt changed.
just my 2 ps worth :?:
Rich
Oh and BTW i was quite happy with Just Click-snick as the shutter released. He came closer and closer to investigate before he realised he was looking at a himan with a camera.
Now Lurch i have to agree with most of what you have said, but there is no need to go antagonising Frogo
Each to there own.
Cheers
Rich
Now Lurch i have to agree with most of what you have said, but there is no need to go antagonising Frogo
Each to there own.
Cheers
Rich
I am just a bit curious.
How exactly are the police going to stop this??? Chase the hunt for miles in their Volvo V70s or even scramble the police helicopter??? :rolmao:
the most use less law yet, police unable to enforce without wasting a lot of money
How exactly are the police going to stop this??? Chase the hunt for miles in their Volvo V70s or even scramble the police helicopter??? :rolmao:
the most use less law yet, police unable to enforce without wasting a lot of money
Hi Lurch.
When i said i,m not an anti i mean that i have no problem with people hunting wether with guns or snaring,as long as the animal in question is going to be consumed and not just there for the pleasure of a kill.
I go sea angling in the winter so as to catch cod,said fish is brought home then consumed by my family,the head ,tail and bones are made into stock therefore nothing is wasted.
Heres more food for thought, what if the indigenous people of the world decided to take the same attitude as the the white man and started to kill animals for the pleasure,they would soon starve to death,thats why they revered animals and showed respect,because they were inextricably linked.
Take the buffalo of the American plains for instance,for a millenna the American Indians and the buffalo lived in tune with each other until the arrival of the white man with the attitude lets kill for the pleasure,left to the white mans devices the buffalo were forced nearly to extinction.
So therefore my point is and always has been is not to hunt and kill any animal for pleasure whether with dogs or any other thing. I personally call it a respect thing.
Reguarding foxes if they need controling just shoot them,there is no need to chase them with dogs all over the place then when exhausted are pounced on by dogs,as i say show them a little respect and make it quick and clean.
When i said i,m not an anti i mean that i have no problem with people hunting wether with guns or snaring,as long as the animal in question is going to be consumed and not just there for the pleasure of a kill.
I go sea angling in the winter so as to catch cod,said fish is brought home then consumed by my family,the head ,tail and bones are made into stock therefore nothing is wasted.
Heres more food for thought, what if the indigenous people of the world decided to take the same attitude as the the white man and started to kill animals for the pleasure,they would soon starve to death,thats why they revered animals and showed respect,because they were inextricably linked.
Take the buffalo of the American plains for instance,for a millenna the American Indians and the buffalo lived in tune with each other until the arrival of the white man with the attitude lets kill for the pleasure,left to the white mans devices the buffalo were forced nearly to extinction.
So therefore my point is and always has been is not to hunt and kill any animal for pleasure whether with dogs or any other thing. I personally call it a respect thing.
Reguarding foxes if they need controling just shoot them,there is no need to chase them with dogs all over the place then when exhausted are pounced on by dogs,as i say show them a little respect and make it quick and clean.
G
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Just heard that Prince Charlie is going to carry on hunting right up to the enforcement of the 'ban' (in whatever form it takes). So that's his viewpoint quite firmly nailed to the mast ...
In fact, I remember reading an article about one of Charlie's estates, where they (ie. his gamekeepers, etc) had been leaving carcasses of deer lying around to encourage foxes - yet funnily enough, they were fined for doing so on the grounds that it encouraged the spread of disease amongst the local deer population. So in short, Charlie got his wrist slapped!
Not sure what relevance this has to the thread - already thrown in my tuppence worth a couple of pages back ...
Keep it clean, people!
G
In fact, I remember reading an article about one of Charlie's estates, where they (ie. his gamekeepers, etc) had been leaving carcasses of deer lying around to encourage foxes - yet funnily enough, they were fined for doing so on the grounds that it encouraged the spread of disease amongst the local deer population. So in short, Charlie got his wrist slapped!
Not sure what relevance this has to the thread - already thrown in my tuppence worth a couple of pages back ...
Keep it clean, people!
G
Stuart F, thanks for clarification. I see what you mean now.
The comment about the bison though, AIUI the bison were killed for their hides and in part to clear for cattle not just for funnies.
The comment about the bison though, AIUI the bison were killed for their hides and in part to clear for cattle not just for funnies.
Paganwolf
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A bit off topic now. :roll:
Lots of reasons for the bison being killed off...
hmmm...bison burger....yum
Sorry, just having a Homer Simpson moment remembering the Wilderness Gathering!
I have heard somewhere the suggestion that the reason that there were such huge herds of bison when settlers arrived was that disease had already been at work on the Indians and the bison population had increased. Dunno about that, however the idea that Indians were universally in tune with the animals they hunted has pretty much been debunked.
The only reason that Indians didn't make more of a dent in the herds was there weren't enough of Indians! There has been serious consideration given to the idea that the mega-fauna was cleared out when people first came on the scene. The practice of driving a herd off a cliff was hardly selective hunting. Many Indian groups that settled down wiped out everything around them and so starved. Tribesmen in Africa go and spear lions, not just to protect their stock, but to also prove manhood. I think someone already mentioned the fate of the Moa.
People and animals do what they do, animals don't take any notice of whether what they are doing is ultimately going to damage their population or the environment. I think its wrong to somehow get the idea that only man has hunted for fun in recent times.
Sorry for the ramble :roll:
Come on Jack, write your essay so we can close this thread out :rolmao:
Lots of reasons for the bison being killed off...
hmmm...bison burger....yum
Sorry, just having a Homer Simpson moment remembering the Wilderness Gathering!
I have heard somewhere the suggestion that the reason that there were such huge herds of bison when settlers arrived was that disease had already been at work on the Indians and the bison population had increased. Dunno about that, however the idea that Indians were universally in tune with the animals they hunted has pretty much been debunked.
The only reason that Indians didn't make more of a dent in the herds was there weren't enough of Indians! There has been serious consideration given to the idea that the mega-fauna was cleared out when people first came on the scene. The practice of driving a herd off a cliff was hardly selective hunting. Many Indian groups that settled down wiped out everything around them and so starved. Tribesmen in Africa go and spear lions, not just to protect their stock, but to also prove manhood. I think someone already mentioned the fate of the Moa.
People and animals do what they do, animals don't take any notice of whether what they are doing is ultimately going to damage their population or the environment. I think its wrong to somehow get the idea that only man has hunted for fun in recent times.
Sorry for the ramble :roll:
Come on Jack, write your essay so we can close this thread out :rolmao:
Frogo said:
I'd appreciate a pointer to some evidence for this ta.
It's the first time I've heard of this as a reason for Bison killing.
Good point Chris.
Don't worry about my essay as I think that it is something that will keep until.........as the whole debate is complex that I will open up another can of worms, so please shut the door on thread.
The one thing I will say, is that we haven't seen anything yet, the Countryside Alliance is run with military precision and their campaign would of been draw up many years ago and they will now put into practise.
A good friend of mine who works for the local hunt called me last week telling that when/if they shoot the hounds they will be dumping them at picnic spots, just so the public can see what they have done to the countryside.
Problem is, they fail to tell the public that this is what happens to hounds once they reach retirement, are injured or just don't make the grade after the cubing season.
Don't worry about my essay as I think that it is something that will keep until.........as the whole debate is complex that I will open up another can of worms, so please shut the door on thread.
The one thing I will say, is that we haven't seen anything yet, the Countryside Alliance is run with military precision and their campaign would of been draw up many years ago and they will now put into practise.
A good friend of mine who works for the local hunt called me last week telling that when/if they shoot the hounds they will be dumping them at picnic spots, just so the public can see what they have done to the countryside.
Problem is, they fail to tell the public that this is what happens to hounds once they reach retirement, are injured or just don't make the grade after the cubing season.
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