Ironicly the one dog I ever had with absolutely NO prey drive was a wolf/malamute cross. That said, I'm sure she was a one off in that respect.
First possible wolf killed by car in the Netherlands
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Ironicly the one dog I ever had with absolutely NO prey drive was a wolf/malamute cross. That said, I'm sure she was a one off in that respect.
Even more amazing how many that get upset when someone slots their sheep worrying vermin!
Fortunately life has spared me of considering any animal as 'vermin'.......& of being a Daily Mail reader. ........I'd hate to go through life being so narrow minded.
So would I blacktimberwolf. It must be nice to live happily in harmony with head lice, cockroaches and rats.
If you get a dental abscess do you welcome it?
If you get a dental abscess do you welcome it?
I don't live in harmony with anything, I'm a human being after all, but I have no hate nor hold the belief that the world would be better off without certain critters that some call vermin.
Never had one but if I did I don't think I'd welcome it no; that's just daft,
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that's just daft,
We agree everyone has living things they choose to kill off. If you don't like the words that encompass the actions of "not living in harmony with anything", well, that's semantics not difference.
Behind the word vermin is hate, even disgust & those that act in considering certain things as vermin, believe they are on some sort of crusade, doing what's right, ridding the world of something they belive doesn't have the right to exist......that is quite a different matter than just dealing with things that are directly harming you in some way.....a little more than semantics I think.
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When we had the hillfarm the worst offenders were border collies, seemed quite a few people moved into the area and got a sheepdog as a pet and let them roam all over the place.
Its also quite possible that in a farming area border collies were the most common breed.
Thing is that the instincts that make them such good sheepdogs are the same instincts that made wolves good hunters.
Having said all that we have a sheepdog as a pet here.
Oh and someones Mastiff took a few sheep out as well.
Behind the word vermin is hate, even disgust & those that act in considering certain things as vermin, believe they are on some sort of conquest, doing what's right, ridding the world of something they belive doesn't have the right to exist......that is quite a different thing than just dealing with things that are directly harming you in some way.....a little more than semantics I think.
I never thought of it that way. "Vermin" is to animals what "weed" is to plants. A rose is a wonderful, prized thing in your garden; but a weed in the pasture. Likewise coyote is just part of nature in the desert, but deadly vermin in the suburbs.
You are fighting with your own inferences mountainman, not meanings or implications. As soon as you choose to kill things that interfere with your quality of life, you are on thin ice condemning others for doing the same thing, simply because you don't like their term, for your actions.
There is no such thing as weeds, only plants in the wrong place, likewise what some call vermin, are just animals that are able to profit, either directly or indirectly, from man in some way.
Actually that's what I was taught was the definition of weed; a plant in the wrong place. Grass is a weed in the vegetable garden but a crop in the pasture. Roses are an ornamental in the garden and a weed in the pasture, etc. Likewise for the definition of vermin; an animal in a place where it causes damage and needs to be eradicated (FROM THAT AREA!)
Your hate is blinding you
.................what we are discussing is motivations & emotions. Someone killing a mouse because it's eating their bread is quite a different matter than hating all mice & killing them at every opportuntity available.because they consider them as vermin. If you can't see the difference, then there's no point in going any further with this.
Whoops wrong user name there - sorry
Anyway - you appear to object to a term, not an action
The term is defined by Oxford dictionaries as
You may not like the word, but it appears to accurately define the type of animals that you choose to kill.
Objecting to the accurate use of a term seems to be a little childish to me.
Anyway - you appear to object to a term, not an action
The term is defined by Oxford dictionaries as
You may not like the word, but it appears to accurately define the type of animals that you choose to kill.
Objecting to the accurate use of a term seems to be a little childish to me.
there's no point in going any further with this.
Now there's a quote I agree with. Neither side is going to convince the other to accept their point of view anyway. Agree to differ.
I'm more interested in whether it is confirmed as a wolf or not.
Agreed. As for the wolf, after the autopsy they are 98% sure it's a wolf, according to this article:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/21714793/__Naturalis___doodgereden_dier_wolf___.html (Well, it's in Dutch so you only have to follow the link if you don't believe me
Does have some video of the results of the autopsy, but again in Dutch.)The real question that DNA research still has to find an answer to is: is this a wild wolf from Germany? Or is it an illegal pet that had escaped? I'm hoping it's the first option but you never know.
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