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[Retired Member southey]

I would take or make a bed, take a decent light baker tent, a few of my best tools, some books and a library card, a decent pocket shower, my normal kit with an extra set of clothes, a spare pair of boots, I would budget for £30 a week for food and drink with £15 a week for hardware. I would want to be able to either move around different places or have a job in the woodland I'm and it be big enough for me to be able to be there for a year and not make a visable impact out of my immidiate camp. Latrine would be a simple trench in the appropriate location. I would want to be able to take enough timber and materials from the area to be comfy with out decimating the local area. If one of these thing couldn't be met I would not do it.

 

[cbr6fs]

is this honestly your opinion? do you think that when you close your eyes the world goes away too?

It's more of a statement than an opinion really.

If you were in a position where you were receiving no news reports from any media then your view of the world as a society quickly diminishes.
As an example lets use Australia wiped out by a tsunami.

If you saw this on the news then you would be very concerned, if your house was near the sea it's logical that you'd be worried about the same thing.

If on the other hand you were on a news blackout and never heard or read about it then it would be of no concern to you, you'd be ignorant to the dangers and suffering.

To clarify let me say this.
In my 42 years on this planet i have no known 1 person that has been murdered, to my knowledge i've not even met one.

I have known several people die from cancer, heart disease and liver failure.
In all those cases their lifestyle played a dramatic part in their early demise.

Yet if we take a glance at the various media you'd be forgiven for feeling that the main threat to your life is a violent murder or death by a terrorist act.


It's all about perception.
No news from various media and the threats to you are the real ones you and your loved ones have experienced.

Watch the news daily and your perception changes as to what risks there are.


To bring that back onto topic you stated.

the society that we live in is neither well balanced nor stable, maybe it's the well balanced and stable people who are best suited to removing themselves from it

If we read and watch news reports from around the world then it's easy to come to this conclusion.

If on the other hand we base this opinion only on first hand experiences through our lives then i believe our opinion will be dramatically different.

 

[shaggystu]

....It's all about perception.......

indeed it is, and i perceive the society that we all live in to be an unbalanced and unstable one, you feel differently. somehow we're managing to have a conversation from two completely different worlds about two completely different worlds , there's no possible way that we're ever going to agree. shall we leave it at that?

cheers

stuart

 

[blacktimberwolf]

is this honestly your opinion? do you think that when you close your eyes the world goes away too?

I think what cbr6fs is saying is that if for whatever reason you are cut off from the media, you're blissfully unaware of the sometimes terrible events that occur in the world, therefor your life & opinions are focused & based on your immediate enviroment & not influenced by often sensationalist news headlines & the ensuing media frenzy, brain washing us into thinking that society is on the verge of breakdown.

 

[shaggystu]

I think what cbr6fs is saying is that if for whatever reason you are cut off from the media, you're blissfully unaware of the sometimes terrible events that occur in the world, therefor your life & opinions are focused & based on your immediate enviroment & not influenced by often sensationalist news headlines & the ensuing media frenzy, brain washing us into thinking that society is on the verge of breakdown.

i understood that, but thanks anyway

stuart

 

[blacktimberwolf]

we're managing to have a conversation from two completely different worlds about two completely different worlds,

Two different worlds yet only one society

 

[shaggystu]

Two different worlds yet only one society

it makes no sense at all when you snip half of my original post out does it? whereas left within it's original context the sense of irony is fairly clear for anyone to see. just to make it even more obvious though, purely for the sake of avoiding any confusion, i'm going to go back and edit one of these............into post #43. i think that'd probably help

cheers

stuart

 

[mousey]

I think what cbr6fs is saying is that if for whatever reason you are cut off from the media, you're blissfully unaware of the sometimes terrible events that occur in the world, therefor your life & opinions are focused & based on your immediate enviroment & not influenced by often sensationalist news headlines & the ensuing media frenzy, brain washing us into thinking that society is on the verge of breakdown.

Society is on the verge of breakdown [and I don't even have a telly] right I'm off to stockpile milk and bread before the frost comes in to wreak havoc with our supply infrastructure.............

Anyway can't really help the OP, just make sure you've got shelter, plenty of warm clothing and food. £30 a week [ish] and a way to escape [car, phone, bus taxi] if things get too difficult. But for less than £2000 could be a cheap holiday for a whole year - Don't forget to invite some people round occasionally or alteast make a dummy using straw and a basketball. Personally I'd move around, but then you've gotta carry everything.

 

[cbr6fs]

indeed it is, and i perceive the society that we all live in to be an unbalanced and unstable one, you feel differently. somehow we're managing to have a conversation from two completely different worlds about two completely different worlds, there's no possible way that we're ever going to agree. shall we leave it at that?

If we disagree then i'd happily accept that, the thing is i'm not sure you understand exactly what i meant, so please allow me one more chance to try.

You stated that.

the society that we live in is neither well balanced nor stable, maybe it's the well balanced and stable people who are best suited to removing themselves from it

My response was.

If your social life if full of unbalanced and unstable people then it might well be time to consider seeking different people with which to socialise?

It also tends to be healthier in the long term to stay and deal with problems rather than try unsuccessfully to run away from them.

Again in my opinion from my experience.

What i mean is that if we use first hand experiences rather than 2nd and 3rd hand reports from the media then our society we come into daily contact with is not THAT unstable or unbalanced and even IF it is, if we move to a different society and different social group than it will change.

So by that we do have the ability to control our society we have daily contact with.

 

[cbr6fs]

I think what cbr6fs is saying is that if for whatever reason you are cut off from the media, you're blissfully unaware of the sometimes terrible events that occur in the world, therefor your life & opinions are focused & based on your immediate enviroment & not influenced by often sensationalist news headlines & the ensuing media frenzy, brain washing us into thinking that society is on the verge of breakdown.

Put it better than i did, thanks.

 

[cbr6fs]

Society is on the verge of breakdown

I'd bet good money that statement has been said millions of time in every generation and language since we as a species started communicating.
We as a species are still plodding on though.

 

[fishfish]

Budget for re-supply's £150 a month getting by,

lol i feed 6 of us on that ammount a month! lol

 

[shaggystu]

......What i mean is that if we use first hand experiences rather than 2nd and 3rd hand reports from the media then our society we come into daily contact with is not THAT unstable or unbalanced and even IF it is, if we move to a different society and different social group than it will change......

ok, that i can agree with, to an extent.

can i just point out here that i don't take a daily paper, i don't own a television, i rarely listen to the radio, i live in a place that's too small to be awarded "village" status (of the three farms that are classed as belonging to the hamlet of kelstedge two of them have been in the same two families for over 200 years, the other changed hands very recently). i really am not forming my opinion of society based upon the hysterical outbursts of the modern media, instead i am forming my opinion of society based upon my own experience and perception of it.

you suggest that if someone were to find themselves in a situation within a social group that they found to be unstable and/or unbalanced then they could change social groups, i agree entirely, i've done that myself in the past. the only reason that i've been able to move from one social group to another is that society as a whole is unstable, were it stable i wouldn't have been able to move

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i don't have any problem with what you're saying here at all, i just think that we're making slightly different points based upon a slightly different world view. mine being that (based upon my own experience of the world) society is unstable. your's being (i think i've got this right) that we can choose the way that we interact with society based upon which micro-society we elect to be a part of.

i have a feeling that we'd probably both enjoy this conversation (debate?) greatly if we were to have it around a campfire with a glass or two to add to the confusion, let's leave it 'til then shall we?

cheers

stuart

afterthought: are we not saying the same thing here but in slightly different ways? "the society that we live in is neither well balanced nor stable, maybe it's the well balanced and stable people who are best suited to removing themselves from it"
"If your social life if full of unbalanced and unstable people then it might well be time to consider seeking different people with which to socialise?"

 

[cbr6fs]

I believe you understand the point i was making Stuart, that's really what my babbling's were intended for.

As you say i really enjoyed reading your thoughts and opinions but i think we're pushing the patience of the mods as it is so any further discussion is better left for anything time.

I'm from the same area you live so know your location well, we'll have to organise a East mids meet for next year, be good to put faces to names.

 

[shaggystu]

I believe you understand the point i was making Stuart, that's really what my babbling's were intended for.

As you say i really enjoyed reading your thoughts and opinions but i think we're pushing the patience of the mods as it is so any further discussion is better left for anything time.

couldn't agree more

I'm from the same area you live so know your location well, we'll have to organise a East mids meet for next year, be good to put faces to names.

whereabouts are you from then?

have a look at the midlands meets page, there's no shortage at all, at least a couple a month through the summer, there's bound to be one that you can get over to

cheers

stuart

 

[cbr6fs]

We tended to move about a fair bit, but i was bought up around the Nottm/Derby areas growing up.
Lived in Heanor before i moved here, the old Gal lives in Belper and my Bro in Heage.

So not a million miles away.

 

[shaggystu]

We tended to move about a fair bit, but i was bought up around the Nottm/Derby areas growing up.
Lived in Heanor before i moved here, the old Gal lives in Belper and my Bro in Heage.

So not a million miles away.

not a million miles away at all then. SWMBLT has family in heanor and belper, and my granddad was from over that way too, he grew up in ilkeston and ended up in chesterfield.....which is where i was born and raised and have ended up more or less back at. it's a nice area, derbyshire's a pretty county........although i'm not too sure about notts

cheers

stuart