Thats the only reason I haven't applied for a FAC yet, but I have spoken to a few people who hold FAC and SGC with criminal records and have obviously not had any problems.
do you need a licence
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Thats the only reason I haven't applied for a FAC yet, but I have spoken to a few people who hold FAC and SGC with criminal records and have obviously not had any problems.
This begs a question from an American.
Certain criminal records over here disqualify one from possessing a firearm (that means even borrowing one not just owning it) whereas other offenses don't. Without going into to much detail, the philosophy is that serious crime such as murder, robbery, rape, etc. (felonies) would disqualify someone. Minor offenses such as most traffic tickets, littering, etc. (misdemeanors) would not.
So my question is: Does the same philosophy hold true there?
Before answering please bear in mind that I'm only asking about the philosophy of the requirement (not about a comparison on what might be considered a "serious" offense there as opposed to here)
My local airgun club will NOT accept a gun if it exceeds 11.6flbs as its too easy to change pellet/lube them and suddenly
its an FAC gun.
If you were to take it to a gunshop and be stopped you Would be prosecuted for having an unregistered firearm.
Also if you did get it to the gunshop and it was over the legal limit they are within there rights to take posession of it or they could be prosecuted for releasing an unregistered firearm...
Also it is harder to get an FAC licence than you think. You need somewhere to shoot it within acordance with the law and
somewhere to keep it and to go through all the checks.
I failed my application for an FAC for my past history even though i have a gun cabinate suitable and the landowners permission and relevent insurance....
All i shoot now are Daystate airguns and they are more than adequate.
its an FAC gun.
If you were to take it to a gunshop and be stopped you Would be prosecuted for having an unregistered firearm.
Also if you did get it to the gunshop and it was over the legal limit they are within there rights to take posession of it or they could be prosecuted for releasing an unregistered firearm...
Also it is harder to get an FAC licence than you think. You need somewhere to shoot it within acordance with the law and
somewhere to keep it and to go through all the checks.
I failed my application for an FAC for my past history even though i have a gun cabinate suitable and the landowners permission and relevent insurance....
All i shoot now are Daystate airguns and they are more than adequate.
Nope.
http://www.gcse.com/energy/ke2.htm
http://zonalandeducation.com/mstm/physics/mechanics/energy/kineticEnergy/kineticEnergy.html
http://www.ajdesigner.com/phpenergykenetic/kenetic_energy_equation.php
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/kinetic-energy-formula.html
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5215119_formula-energy_.html
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_formula_for_kinetic_and_potential_energy
Or any number of other references:
http://www.bing.com/search?q=kineti...inetic+energy&sp=2&sc=8-14&form=QBLH&filt=all
I think you might be thinking about momentum, which is just mass times velocity.
Please cite a reference or two. At least some of your books should be available online at for example project Gutenberg.
i used to shoot but i had to stop but i started again a few weeks agoand managed that at my local range
i went down there today and was shown an smk xs208 and a crossman phantom 1000Nip along to your nearest hunting goods or gun shop matey, they'll be able to talk you through the good and bad points of most air rifles whilst most likely having the rifle there to talk about, any rifle under 12 foot lb doesn't require any kind of license or agreed shoot, but with any where to shoot you'll be frustrated, go have a chat with a shooting club, not only do they give you the time and place the practise and improve but you'll get your face known by the community most likely to know the local shoots or people looking for pest control, and remember you want to shoot on there land, your not doing them a favour, they are doing the favour, have fun matey!
My neighbour is one of the West Midlands Fire Arm Officers and I asked him your question, his answer was that each application is looked at on an individual basis, and background checks are done on the person making the application, If that person does indeed have any Criminal convictions, then the question of their 'being of an responsible character' is brought into question, even for something as small as a speeding ticket.. the application is then given to the assigned local F.A.O (Fire Arms Officer) who then arranges a visit to have a chat and see what conditions the fire arm is going to be kept in, and also to assess the individual, the application is then forwarded for approval or not based on his assessment. the final decision though rests with the Chief Commissioners office, many of whom are local and shoot locally themselves, so know the area and landowners well.
hope that helps
Day
the best explaination that i could find of the formula that i've always used.
basically; weigh the pellet, multiply that by the muzzle velocity squared, divide your answer by 450240 (a constant derived from the acceleration of gravity) and you end up with energy in ft/lbs.
assuming the gun is a .177 and taking 8 grains as a fairly typical weight for a .177 pellet you get 8(1000X1000)/450240 which gives us 17.77 ft/lbs and five years at her majestys pleasure. same math to that used by ged earlier but i cheated by knowing the formula for old money!
be careful
stuart
basically; weigh the pellet, multiply that by the muzzle velocity squared, divide your answer by 450240 (a constant derived from the acceleration of gravity) and you end up with energy in ft/lbs.
assuming the gun is a .177 and taking 8 grains as a fairly typical weight for a .177 pellet you get 8(1000X1000)/450240 which gives us 17.77 ft/lbs and five years at her majestys pleasure. same math to that used by ged earlier but i cheated by knowing the formula for old money!
be careful
stuart
I would propose that the formula any of us (doesn't matter which of us) is irrelevant anyway. What matters is what formula will the police use.
Thanks. That does help. It seems that a minor offense in and of itself won't necessarily stop a license being issued but it will trigger a closer look. That's reasonable. It's also encouraging to hear that the final authority is likely another shooter who understands the sport.
very very valid point, and one that i'd never actually considered.
so, does anyone know the answer to that one?
stuart
think you mean
Force = Mass x acceleration
force is not energy
Kinetic Energy is
this is the formula used to work out the muzzle energy
but due to the use of imperial units it looks like this
............................(Mass in grains) x (Velocity squared in FPS)
Energy in Ft Lbs = ------------------------------------------
...........................................450240
1 ft lb is the energy required to move 1 Lb a distance of 1 ft
ATB
Duncan
Oh on the OP
over 1000fps is often a selling point in USA for airguns but as most know its usless info with out the pellet weight
for UK 12ft lbs a 177 cal 8.4 grain is approx 800fps
in 22 usually 14grains is approx 620 fps
an 8.4gr pellet at 1000fps is just over 18ft lbs
a 14 gr pellet at 1000fps is just over 31ft lbs
neither is unreasonable for a modern PCP but usually at that power you would use a much heavier pellet or risk blowing them apart
police usually test with the ammo you are found with and a couple of types of what ever they use changes per county
unfortunately the trend for heavier and heavier pellets and the Pneumatic rifles tendency to be more efficient the heavier the pellet mean that one year your fine the next a new pellet comes out that if used in yours makes it over.
over 1000fps is often a selling point in USA for airguns but as most know its usless info with out the pellet weight
for UK 12ft lbs a 177 cal 8.4 grain is approx 800fps
in 22 usually 14grains is approx 620 fps
an 8.4gr pellet at 1000fps is just over 18ft lbs
a 14 gr pellet at 1000fps is just over 31ft lbs
neither is unreasonable for a modern PCP but usually at that power you would use a much heavier pellet or risk blowing them apart
police usually test with the ammo you are found with and a couple of types of what ever they use changes per county
unfortunately the trend for heavier and heavier pellets and the Pneumatic rifles tendency to be more efficient the heavier the pellet mean that one year your fine the next a new pellet comes out that if used in yours makes it over.
thanks for that duncan, you've done a much better job of illustrating that than i did
stuart
With a Pre charged set at 11.5flb with HN FTT will be over the top with a heaver pellet . The problem is the police do not test guns with a standard weight pellet. so your gun can be legal but fail when tested by the police depending what they are using on that particular day.
