Do farmers look more kindly on tarps as opposed to tents?

[petrochemicals]

If stealth camping would a farmer look more kindly on a bivvy bag and a tarp as opposed to a full blown tent.
It does occour to me that there is a serious ( and probably justified) waryness from the rural community to anyone who seems to be out enjoying the countryside. If a farmer or anyone who knew the land owner was to come across a tent I seem to think think that this would at the very less be checked and would cause a concern, where as a bivvy and tarp combo seems to me less inposing. What do you reccon.

Pete

 

[DurhamBushcrafter]

if you are on their land...........tent, tarp, caravan, it aint gonna matter.......unless you are in thelandofthemidge....then the law differs.

 

[Bowlander]

Its the person not the type of shelter that they are bothered about. Folk out with rifles need to know where people are.

 

[sunndog]

Sorry mate, but as a farmer this is how i read your post.....

If trespassing. It does occour to me that there is a serious ( and Certainly justified) waryness from the rural community to anyone who seems to be in a persons back yard for no good reason

plus i'd be thinking "christ as well hidden as he is, i could have shot that bloke last night"

 

[StuMsg]

but would you prefer him to be in a tent or under a tarp?

 

[crosslandkelly]

but would you prefer him to be in a tent or under a tarp?

Under a tarp, make's it easier to dispose of the body. Mind you those little one man tents??

 

[bowji john]

I suspect he really is not interested in the tarp or tent but what is in it.

The fact that its occupant is on his (the farmer's) land uninvited is what would concern him.

I suspect he would be particularly keen to see the content of said tent or tarp to leave expeditiously probably with a little help

 

[birchwood]

ok you come out of your back door one morning and there is someone camping in the middle of your lawn.They have chopped down branches from your garden and had a fire ,pulled branches off the trees and tied them up to make a `shelter`.
How do you feel?

The very fact you have asked this question worries me.

I had this scenario last week in our woods plus loads of tins and rubbish.

ps, you can be `escorted` off the property minus your kit.

 

[Bishop]

Under a tarp, make's it easier to dispose of the body. Mind you those little one man tents??

and this is why bushcrafters prefer blankets...https://youtu.be/mF629C5WRqU?t=8s

If rumbled there's not a lot you can do apart from practising breaking camp and being ready to move on in under five minutes.
Two, be prepared to produce some ID and if you've really upset the landowner then expect a chat with the local constabulary.

 

[Goatboy]

I'm not trying to justify or promote unauthorised camping but maybe what the person is using and how they may make camp would colour how the landowner would view the person they found. The person using a tarp and with a tidy camp may be viewed as having a lower impact on the land. Where a big cheap tent that are often abandoned and left surrounded by rubbish would hack me off. Have worked for Government, estate and private landowners in the past and would be more likely to turn a blind eye or even have a friendly chat with a friendly and low impact user than a bunch of numpties.
Still if folk aren't supposed to be there then they shouldn't be. Security, safety, fire prevention, SSSI's and legality often mean folk cant go where they like, even up here in the land of the midge.

Sent via smoke-signal from a woodland in Scotland.

 

[mrcharly]

ok you come out of your back door one morning and there is someone camping in the middle of your lawn.They have chopped down branches from your garden and had a fire ,pulled branches off the trees and tied them up to make a `shelter`.
How do you feel?

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Nail - meet hammer.

 

[boatman]

I suspect he really is not interested in the tarp or tent but what is in it.

The fact that its occupant is on his (the farmer's) land uninvited is what would concern him.

I suspect he would be particularly keen to see the content of said tent or tarp to leave expeditiously probably with a little help

A little help? Violence perhaps? Which is a crime as opposed to stealth camping which is not.

 

[petrochemicals]

ok you come out of your back door one morning and there is someone camping in the middle of your lawn.They have chopped down branches from your garden and had a fire ,pulled branches off the trees and tied them up to make a `shelter`.
How do you feel?

The very fact you have asked this question worries me.

I had this scenario last week in our woods plus loads of tins and rubbish.

ps, you can be `escorted` off the property minus your kit.

Isn't that a little one dimensional? You could have added dug a latrine and ate the dog. I am sort of getting at the hiking end of it where it's only an overnight stay, rather than gypsies or viking raiders.

If I know how I will add a poll on who has "trespassed". I could have voting on such points as ;

whilst enroute to somewhere
Viking raider/gypsy
For more than just night time
No

Contrary to widley held belief, it's actually quite hard to trespass, especially with 15kg of stuff on your back. When I get lost I have wonderful exitements suck as a very time consuming jaunt over heavy grass or Heather plodding, long detours around crops and the delight of spikey hedge crawling/ barb wire jumping. Half the ppaths on the map I find to be inpassable let alone just cross country virginal route breaking walking. I do like to stick close to the paths, but sometimes do just jump into a nearby field. I know all responsible people are aware not to shoot within range of paths and if you do you have to shut them!

 

[sunndog]

Farmer's eye view again

A little help? Violence perhaps? Which is a crime as opposed to trespass which is not.

 

[artschool]

ok you come out of your back door one morning and there is someone camping in the middle of your lawn.They have chopped down branches from your garden and had a fire ,pulled branches off the trees and tied them up to make a `shelter`.
How do you feel?

The very fact you have asked this question worries me.

I had this scenario last week in our woods plus loads of tins and rubbish.

this happened to me last week. including the fire.

Two, be prepared to produce some ID and if you've really upset the landowner then expect a chat with the local constabulary.

and this was the result.

on another note if i saw a tarp i might think vagrant and call the police, if i saw a nice tent i might think free campers and go and have a chat.

 

[bowji john]

As you rightly point out - trespass is not a crime, it is a civil issue.

and..

I find it very unlikely that any farmer would resort to violence - a few choice words perhaps

What he will NOT be doing, I suspect, is complementing any uninvited guest on how neatly they kept their camp site or how cleverly they had strung their tarp

 

[bearbait]

It is my understanding that I can't camp in my own Welsh woodland for more than 28 days a year. So I'm going to be really pleased to see you there, using up some of my 28 day allowance.

(Edit: Thanks to boatman for the correction.)

 

[bushwacker bob]

Should someone be stupid enough to camp where they didnt have permission where I work, they would be evicted by being escorted to the nearest exit and their goods disposed of. IIRC Illegal camping is not something this forum condones.

 

[boatman]

Their goods would not be "disposed of" unless you advocate theft. Leaving by the nearest exit is the correct response anyway if challenged for trespassing.

28 days camping on your own land in England but if someone trespasses that wouldn't count and who on earth would be counting anyway?

 

[birchwood]

Isn't that a little one dimensional? You could have added dug a latrine and ate the dog. I am sort of getting at the hiking end of it where it's only an overnight stay, rather than gypsies or viking raiders.

As you do not seem to understand the point I was making I will try again.
It is not your property . just because it is a field or a wood you do not have the right of public access.
And you would be leaving without your property.