Is not "social distancing" the REAL issue here? People are not wearing masks and passing too close to each other. If those two rules were followed surely the rest is irrelevant? The tighter restrictions being proposed are just to try and enforce those 2 rules as far as I can tell.
Covid-19 Travel for exercise - Reasonable distance
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It so totaly is, and it's not happening here. Huge "family groups" consisting of several adults and children. One group I came across had three couples two dogs, and 6 kids, all taking up the whole path and literally walking straight at me with no attempt to stand aside or give any social distancing. No masks either.
They were not local. They had come about 30 miles to walk. I gave them short shrift in the end, and told them not to come back, and to allow others room.
One of the guys got a bit funny until I told him he was setting a very bad example to his kids both on staying within the rules, taking the consequences, and politeness towards women.
I'm fed up with it.
Rudeness when you politely ask others to stick to the rules and distance or wear a mask properly (they've always got some excuse why it's not covering their nose properly)
One of my neighbours got banned from all our few local shops that are open except the supermarket who apparently can't enforce the rules(where as all the other shop keepers find they can). For refusing to wear a mask, even when offered one for free!
It's a total joke!
No wonder we are in this mess!
We had only two cases in our immediate area, until Christmas when people came from all over the country,london Wales Birmingham etc to visit family for the holidays. Suddenly we had ten cases!
People are still having parties that the police have to break up risking their health to deal with them.
I would hope that most people here are sensible enough to do as told and stay home. Yes its challenging especially if you have small children and no garden, and live in an urban environment. But realy , bending the rules because you feel your own situation is different and requires you to modify the rules to suit your own situation is sadly causing many to say well if they can do it, whycant I.
It's just as hard for me to stay home alone with no personal one to one social interaction at all.
I've done it for many months now, as my social bubble broke down last may. As the friends who were also vunerabl, that asked me to bubble with them were not sticking to the rules,and again I was offered physical aggression from the husband of my friend for daring to bring it up.
We are no longer friends.
Most of my other local friends work so I cannot bubble with them being vunerable, whereas they are not.
I'm coping alone with very little support, and have had to deal with a couple of serious health scares that required hospitalisation and a broken foot along with everything else on my own.
I've had some very, very tough times in the past but loneliness in these circumstances, is the hardest, believe me.
It's easy to put on a mask, and keep your distance if you have to be out and about. It's not easy to not be lonely because everyone around you isn't sticking to the rules and putting your life at risk because you are vunerable and still have to do everything for yourself.
Sorry to rant guys, but you may have guessed I'm very angry and fed up with certain sections of society that think they are special cases or just dont care.
That is not to berate those that have small kids and have a genuine need to drive somewhere safe to exercise.
The rest of us are adults, and should just behave!
People are still having parties that the police have to break up risking their health to deal with them.
I would hope that most people here are sensible enough to do as told and stay home. Yes its challenging especially if you have small children and no garden, and live in an urban environment. But realy , bending the rules because you feel your own situation is different and requires you to modify the rules to suit your own situation is sadly causing many to say well if they can do it, whycant I.
It's just as hard for me to stay home alone with no personal one to one social interaction at all.
I've done it for many months now, as my social bubble broke down last may. As the friends who were also vunerabl, that asked me to bubble with them were not sticking to the rules,and again I was offered physical aggression from the husband of my friend for daring to bring it up.
We are no longer friends.
Most of my other local friends work so I cannot bubble with them being vunerable, whereas they are not.
I'm coping alone with very little support, and have had to deal with a couple of serious health scares that required hospitalisation and a broken foot along with everything else on my own.
I've had some very, very tough times in the past but loneliness in these circumstances, is the hardest, believe me.
It's easy to put on a mask, and keep your distance if you have to be out and about. It's not easy to not be lonely because everyone around you isn't sticking to the rules and putting your life at risk because you are vunerable and still have to do everything for yourself.
Sorry to rant guys, but you may have guessed I'm very angry and fed up with certain sections of society that think they are special cases or just dont care.
That is not to berate those that have small kids and have a genuine need to drive somewhere safe to exercise.
The rest of us are adults, and should just behave!
If PC Plod is incapable of thinking for himself and can only do what he's told from on top, then I'd say the advice and instructions about how far people can travel to exercise couldn't be clearer. From the PM himself:
uk.news.yahoo.com
Up to 7 miles is at least permissable. Either that or the Police should be knocking on the door (en masse, like they needed for two young women) of Number 10 with a fixed penalty notice. I wonder what those poor, confused, Police officers will be doing? It seemed so clear to them when the culprits were two young women with lattes who had strayed 5 miles from their front doors - go in heavy handed, in a group, and take no guff! Nice, easy, targets for them.
Will they be so bold and literally minded when it comes to the PM?
Those poor Police officers.
Go for it!
Boris Johnson doesn't regret bike ride as Number 10 says public should 'go for it'
The government has said people who want to go for a seven-mile bike ride during the coronavirus lockdown should 'go for it'.
Up to 7 miles is at least permissable. Either that or the Police should be knocking on the door (en masse, like they needed for two young women) of Number 10 with a fixed penalty notice. I wonder what those poor, confused, Police officers will be doing? It seemed so clear to them when the culprits were two young women with lattes who had strayed 5 miles from their front doors - go in heavy handed, in a group, and take no guff! Nice, easy, targets for them.
Will they be so bold and literally minded when it comes to the PM?
Those poor Police officers.
Go for it!
My daughter (and thus the youngest grandson) is almost 15 miles from me and more than 50 miles from her in-laws. We’re her baby sitters if she has a doctor’s appointment (and she has many) or if she goes to the gym. Mind you at the moment that grandson is in quarantine: his school called and he had been exposed to another child who tested positive)
@Woody girl: you might want to add some melatonin to the supplements you’re taking to make up for lack of exposure to sunlight.
I can’t remember who said upthread that the driving was getting worse at the moment. Here in the US we’ve had a rising level of problems over parking spaces. We’ve never been big on public transportation anyway but the pandemic has convinced merely everybody to abandon it (for fear of being too close to fellow passengers) in favor of going back to their POVs (Personally Owned Vehicles) One consequence has been an even greater shortage of parking spots at the destinations and the resulting arguments and physical fights.
The rules are quite clear, I think people are using "confusion" as an excuse.
. Stay at home
. Work from home if at all possible.
You can now legally ask to be furloughed if this is not possible,and you or someone in your bubble is vunerable.
. Only go out for essential shopping, medical appointments or work.
You may go out locally with one other person... not a different person each time... for exercise, as long as you socialy distance with that person and you should wear a mask if they are not actually living with you in your home./bubble
Local isn't 10 miles away!, its within an hours walk, or less, of your front door. That for most is 3-5 miles away depending on your terrain and fitness.
If you are cycling, just because you can do 20 miles in an hour, that realy should not mean that you should actually cycle 20 miles there and 20 back. Stay within your local area.
Just because others break the rules due to manipulation ignorance or deliberately, it doesn't mean you can too!
Just play your part, and dont risk others lives by being selfish.
Example of p***taking.
Man drives from Bristol to cheddar gorge to sit in his car and eat a take out burger.
Ostensibly taking no risk, or presenting non, as long as he did not interact with anyone else.
BUT. Let's look at that.
He had got himself a burger... not an essential shop. Interaction with others
He had driven many miles to another part of the county to sit in a car and eat.... not allowed as it wasn't for work or exercise .
He presented no risk.... well had he got a covid test prior to comming out, or was he asymptomatic? Would that have posed a risk to police checking vehicles for not being local, or if he had had an accident, or breakdown?
Yes, it could pose a risk to others in those situations.
So yes, fine him! He was being thoughtless and selfish, and broke the rules, when you realy think about it.
Anyone who does not "get"that over 80.000 people have died in excess of the normal death rate in 2020 because of people being careless, and not sticking to the rules needs a wake up call.
This is the highest rate since w.w.2!
. Stay at home
. Work from home if at all possible.
You can now legally ask to be furloughed if this is not possible,and you or someone in your bubble is vunerable.
. Only go out for essential shopping, medical appointments or work.
You may go out locally with one other person... not a different person each time... for exercise, as long as you socialy distance with that person and you should wear a mask if they are not actually living with you in your home./bubble
Local isn't 10 miles away!, its within an hours walk, or less, of your front door. That for most is 3-5 miles away depending on your terrain and fitness.
If you are cycling, just because you can do 20 miles in an hour, that realy should not mean that you should actually cycle 20 miles there and 20 back. Stay within your local area.
Just because others break the rules due to manipulation ignorance or deliberately, it doesn't mean you can too!
Just play your part, and dont risk others lives by being selfish.
Example of p***taking.
Man drives from Bristol to cheddar gorge to sit in his car and eat a take out burger.
Ostensibly taking no risk, or presenting non, as long as he did not interact with anyone else.
BUT. Let's look at that.
He had got himself a burger... not an essential shop. Interaction with others
He had driven many miles to another part of the county to sit in a car and eat.... not allowed as it wasn't for work or exercise .
He presented no risk.... well had he got a covid test prior to comming out, or was he asymptomatic? Would that have posed a risk to police checking vehicles for not being local, or if he had had an accident, or breakdown?
Yes, it could pose a risk to others in those situations.
So yes, fine him! He was being thoughtless and selfish, and broke the rules, when you realy think about it.
Anyone who does not "get"that over 80.000 people have died in excess of the normal death rate in 2020 because of people being careless, and not sticking to the rules needs a wake up call.
This is the highest rate since w.w.2!
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Lockdown: Are people breaking Covid rules?
The government is urging us to stay at home during the lockdown but are we?
www.bbc.co.uk
Is there actually a definition of local?
The area covered by your local parish council, which may vary, that is why it is so hard to be hard and fast about it.
But I'd say if you stayed within your parish boundaries you could legally argue that you were staying local, but I'm taking no responsibility for that as I dont know what size any particular parish area is except for my own, which is approx 5 miles from a central point of the centre.
Of course that 5 miles can possibly legaly extend to five miles into another parish, should you live on a periphery . But if you stick within your own parish boundary you should be ok.
But I'd say if you stayed within your parish boundaries you could legally argue that you were staying local, but I'm taking no responsibility for that as I dont know what size any particular parish area is except for my own, which is approx 5 miles from a central point of the centre.
Of course that 5 miles can possibly legaly extend to five miles into another parish, should you live on a periphery . But if you stick within your own parish boundary you should be ok.
Have just learned that our local police force are using number plate recognition to determine whether someone is local or not. They caught 250 people at the weekend trying to access their holiday homes in the southwest. All will get hefty fines.
Gotta say, well done boys in blue!
Gotta say, well done boys in blue!
There's no fair definition of local so you can't really use local as part of the restrictions unless you define local in terms of distance or travel time from your home. Some parishes are huge.
If you consider local to be the postal area for my nearest town then you've got an area that extends from the West coast around Morecambe up to milnethorpe and across to Kirby Lonsdale. A huge area for me explore. Technically every village within that area has Carnforth in their address just before Lancashire.
That's a bit daft but what is local. If you consider it to be a circle with a radius of 5 miles then local for me would have been cut in half by the tier system with probably a third of my local circle being in Cumbria which I shouldn't have visited.
Do you actually know the boundaries of your parish or borough? I don't. Why would you need to know? Well perhaps COVID is why.
That's why I think it needs common sense. If walking is your exercise then it's as far as you'll walk in say a couple of hours. If jogging is your exercise then it'll be a bigger area, cycling is bigger still. The proviso in that is that you must be able to socially distance yourself doing it. If not then some other criteria is needed.
If you consider local to be the postal area for my nearest town then you've got an area that extends from the West coast around Morecambe up to milnethorpe and across to Kirby Lonsdale. A huge area for me explore. Technically every village within that area has Carnforth in their address just before Lancashire.
That's a bit daft but what is local. If you consider it to be a circle with a radius of 5 miles then local for me would have been cut in half by the tier system with probably a third of my local circle being in Cumbria which I shouldn't have visited.
Do you actually know the boundaries of your parish or borough? I don't. Why would you need to know? Well perhaps COVID is why.
That's why I think it needs common sense. If walking is your exercise then it's as far as you'll walk in say a couple of hours. If jogging is your exercise then it'll be a bigger area, cycling is bigger still. The proviso in that is that you must be able to socially distance yourself doing it. If not then some other criteria is needed.
My exercise is stand up paddleboarding. Needs a bit of travel to get on the water but is allowed.
It may be a bit hard to stay local, when asked to go for the vaccine the nearest one to me is 17 miles away, do I tell them I cant go because it isn't in my Parish, I know this is ok as its medical and thats allowed, but does the virus know that?
I assume the people who were fined for supposedly going to their second homes, were then allowed to go home, ? irrespective of how far it is.
If you dont like people coming to your village, stay in
And if you see them in your village, they may still be in their parish boundary.
I dont know who is worse here, the people who are breaking the rules or the people who think everyone they see must be breaking the rules.
I assume the people who were fined for supposedly going to their second homes, were then allowed to go home, ? irrespective of how far it is.
If you dont like people coming to your village, stay in
And if you see them in your village, they may still be in their parish boundary.
I dont know who is worse here, the people who are breaking the rules or the people who think everyone they see must be breaking the rules.
Work is 15 miles from home in one direction.
Plasma donation is 20 miles in a different direction.
Plasma donation is 20 miles in a different direction.
Oh dear. If it needs a "bit of travel" then this is a prime example of bending the rules to suit oneself. Just because mountain climbing is allowed, that doesn't give me the right to travel out of my local area to do it.
My nearest beach is 25 miles away, but I've stayed local, and not gone, despite on occasions having an overwhelming urge to get out and do something, and go somewhere different.
The advice is stay at home.
Exercise localy,
and if that means not travelling to another area to do your accustomed sport, that's sadly tough.
Have the rules changed today, yesterday there was no definition of local.
I do find some of the more extreme comments about staying local a bit worrying, my nearest supermarket sized shop is over 15 miles away. I'm happy going there as I don't go often, I didn't go out in the first lockdown and only go out to the shops about once a month now. I think that is more sensible than all those people who go to their 'local' shop more often.
Our first lock down we were told not to travel more than five miles from home for exercise.
I still think that sounds pretty reasonable.
I still think that sounds pretty reasonable.
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