to be honest scanker got it right this time i have been camping for many years i grew up in australia and deciced to come back to my roots and there was never an issue in pitching camp and having a campfire but since being back here it was difficult to find a camp site which allow fires i say camp site as i now have a wife and 18month old daughter who like many women like the amenities that these have to offer but have since found sites now which allow fires im not going back to basics but just want what i was used to back in oz but for some reason the equipment was easier to find and buy there gone are the days off disappearing into the bush for a few days at the drop of a hat so hence im just trying to gather the basics cooking gear hotplate, dutch oven, billy and tripod tbh honest i was going to make my own tripod why i never thought off making a billy i dont know think it was because if i ever needed one in the past i just went to my local camop shop anyway thanks for the heads up and i shall give iy a go on weekend if i can get my hands on a large coffee tin by the way what did you use for a lid as most now come with a plastic lid sorry for the lenghty read and the life story aswell but just thought id give you some background cheers again