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Climate Change I hope this is not to political but it is so important
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Can we have a 'Like' button on here like Facebook but without the surveillance and the creator calling us "dumb effers" for trusting him with our data and private information?
To whom are you referring and who the heck is New Dawn? Never mind, I can use Google. Yikes, where did you pull that one out off?
Is this Catholic, do you have something against Catholics?
Oh I don't mean free of, just a constant effective striving for. There is a qualitative and qualitative difference between the C20th Government of The National Socialist Republic of Germany (Weimar) and the C18th Democratic Constitutional Republic of America wouldn't you say? The later codifies the very principles of freedom, rights, progress, happiness etc. Oops there I go slipping into Latin again.
Oh right, well obviously I don't like Hitler but sometimes using him as a source is necessary or just as convenient. Doesn't mean to say what he said was wrong or that he is quoting others incorrectly. I understand you have sensibilities though and it would be extremely unlikely I would use such a site for quotes, be they Tesla's or the Pope's.
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Godwin's law seems to apply here so I'm not even going to grace that with a reply.
My point is that you said you are "not anti establishment in any form" providing they live up to your impossible standard, which in effect is tantamount to saying that you are actually anti establishment.
It's exactly the kind of circular argument that has characterised many of your 55 posts in this thread. (That also seems a little compulsive to me. Contra to one of your own standards.)
I could have referred to plenty of other oppressive totalitarian regimes but Nazism is what is most familiar to everyone and just because Godwin's Law kicks in doesn't mean it isn't a valid reference or are we to "for goodness sake, don't whatever you do mention the war!!"
I did clarify it for those that would take things to 'reductio ab absurdum', sorry about that but relevant even if in Latin and I know it isn't going to intimidate anyone. My standards are not impossibly high, they are just more towards what is enshrined in the US Constitution than the Communist Manifesto.
As for my reasoning, it has been reasonable, clear and referenced on the whole, it is others who have been going round and round the roundabout with their 'reasoning' and ignoring the SATNAV saying "if you would like to know more please follow the next link provided." Why is it some have to take any statement to its absolute extreme interpretation when the general logical meaning is blatantly obvious to most? There are several logical answers to that but expecting someone to go to the Nth degree to explain every possible thing so it can't be deliberately or otherwise misrepresented or misinterpreted by someone would be ridiculous if not impossible.
Anyway, this getting off the subject of Climate Change, AGW and the Scientific/Political background it is set in.
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Well if you insist on using Latin quotations I would have to respond with "quod erat demonstrandum" in reference to my earlier observation.
I'm bored with this now, the first couple of pages were interesting but the argument has become absurd, shame really.
I'm bored with this now, the first couple of pages were interesting but the argument has become absurd, shame really.
No 'Touche' for the QED quip either, it doesn't apply, no real evidence or solution to QED, just opinion and muddy toy slinging I'm afraid.
I have expressed opinion on what lies behind the whole subject of AGW and I have provided credible sources and reasoning.
The result is ad hominem and reductio ab absurdum, taking everything that is said to an extreme misinterpretation runaround rather than concentrating on or addressing the evidence or points. This doesn't go unnoticed by people, the majority of whom aren't stupid, they can see the deliberate baiting methodology of the few and shake their heads in pity.
Many of my views on AGW among other things are growing in popularity as people start to become informed and don't just absorb and repeat the party line. My opinions are informed from experience and by studying much greater men and women than I who have gone down or will go down in History as such. Many who are now revered will be forgotten in a fog of embarrassment though they teach us valuable lessons in some ways.
This is what will happen to Hawking and many other 'experts' and/or corrupt sell outs in their various fields of 'expertise'.
[video=youtube;tOimeRod4TY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOimeRod4TY[/video]
Being bored after the references I have supplied is your unfortunate loss sadly though obviously many will not perceive that yet. I have found much of this information to be the most captivating and enlightening information currently available to the human mind.
Anyway, I'm sure we can agree on other things and one or neither of us will be proved right in the end!
Someone mentioned Thorium in the past, why if the Chinese are now seriously working on this technology aren't we? Could this be the answer to all our woes and if so, why haven't we developed it? Perhaps it hasn't been developed for that very reason.
Back a good few years ago I asked a friend of mine to tell me what her Scientist partner worked on for the UK Government. She said she couldn't say as he had signed the Official Secrets Act and shouldn't have told her. For various reasons I won't go into I fully understand that. However, she couldn't resist one night and revealed he was developing applications for anti-gravity. This took me back somewhat and not being any kind of dunce herself I dared asked her if she meant applications for anti-gravity or researching the possibility of anti-gravity itself. She confirmed that anti-gravity had been cracked a long time ago but that it was secret, a matter of National Security and that her partner was working on its application. She went on to tell me more which was mind blowing.
In the scheme of things I am not presenting that as proof of anything just my personal experience which was one tiny thing I have experienced that encouraged me to keep an open mind about things, to look deeper, to research and not just absorb the party line. Of course some may scream BS and go ahead, knock yourself out, I have no real axe to grind, just sharing something that came back to my mind when thinking not everything is as it seems, perhaps most things are not as they seem. There are a good number on here who know what I mean to differing degrees I am absolutely sure.
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Oh and just on my way out I have just been pinged this:
http://www.principia-scientific.org...data-rigging-scandal-rocks-us-government.html
Is a new BIG AGW scandal about to break then? Worth reading and being aware of perhaps.
Oh and something relevant to the OP! ~~~It lives, IT LIVES!!~~~
http://www.principia-scientific.org...data-rigging-scandal-rocks-us-government.html
Is a new BIG AGW scandal about to break then? Worth reading and being aware of perhaps.
Oh and something relevant to the OP! ~~~It lives, IT LIVES!!~~~
Ah. Thanks. Not had time to read the whole article, but the title actually turns me off TBH. I greatly admire Tesla and think he was short shrfted vs Edison. But there's no way I would put him in the same class as Einstein.
hiding in plain site. (or on web site(I'm on fire!)
Propaganda by peoples to divert and subdue through complications and diversion tactics.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleonasm
pleonism stop! Probably where the word stems from. hugh Laurie to stephen fry
"Please stop with this wittering you bloody prat, I "plea on" for the love of god your doin my ed in"
pleonismicide -for when one is extremley annoyed at a wordy git, and commits fully justified injury for the good of himself society and god.
climate change is a concience soother to divert from responsibility to the environment. Probably very good for the rich who say "we only just noticed we where doing things on the cheap" or you won't make a fuss that we new what we where doing all along. Theres a reason that dudley and wolverhampton are called the black country, and it ain't because alot of people from the carribean moved there. That was 200+ years ago, yet we can all look good because of the sea level band wagon and a bit of co2. before co2 becomes a real problem we will switch to something else to power us.
I believe it is happening though
Propaganda by peoples to divert and subdue through complications and diversion tactics.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleonasm
pleonism stop! Probably where the word stems from. hugh Laurie to stephen fry
"Please stop with this wittering you bloody prat, I "plea on" for the love of god your doin my ed in"
pleonismicide -for when one is extremley annoyed at a wordy git, and commits fully justified injury for the good of himself society and god.
climate change is a concience soother to divert from responsibility to the environment. Probably very good for the rich who say "we only just noticed we where doing things on the cheap" or you won't make a fuss that we new what we where doing all along. Theres a reason that dudley and wolverhampton are called the black country, and it ain't because alot of people from the carribean moved there. That was 200+ years ago, yet we can all look good because of the sea level band wagon and a bit of co2. before co2 becomes a real problem we will switch to something else to power us.
I believe it is happening though
I have no idea whether we have anti-gravity Corso, just reporting my experience and that it was an eyeopener at the time that made me look outside of the box as it were.
That said, the Amerkins didn't develop Nukes using a private company as such and yet the technology also got passed to us (not the highest bidder), the Ruskies too I gather! The Israelis are pretty much accepted as having enough nukes to turn the Middle East into a glass parking lot if push came to shove into the sea. It has been more than just M16s and General Electric TVs shipping to Tele Aviv! Remember the film 'The Sum of All Fears'? The US struck with one of its own exported nukes if I remember rightly, interesting premise.
Remember the Russians claimed they were only lagging behind the Yanks and Brits because their Nazi Scientists weren't as good as our Nazi Scientists, Operation Paperclip and all that? It may have also had something to do with Communism of course.
If the US and UK do have AG then they won't be needing an extra runway at Heathrow and we'd be getting thrown off with stories of little green/grey men and the promise of 'Disclosure' about all that intimate probing that is talked about.
It would make a mockery of AGW as well because I'm sure they wouldn't run on Bio-diesel, something a little more advanced me thinks!
As I say I don't know if we have AG but I do know that the things below are really old technology and the secret jump in technology will probably be a light year ahead of these. I wonder how all those military satellites and weapon platforms get up into orbit? If this kind of tech. exists then AGW isn't a problem but for the control and economical crippling that policy implementation will bring.
The question is whether we need to release less CO2 or more or neither matters? What we need is advanced technology that has minimal negative consequences.
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I have been following this post and it is interesting how it has fallen into the whole political science debate. This is actually one of the things that we all can have some influence on the outcome but how many people actually do any thing about it ? I am no saint in this respect though I do try. I feel this is one of things that is all our responsibility to try and do some thing about. As a cynical Ecologist if its left up to any government we will still be waiting for them to decide the menu for lunch. "Would the last person to leave please turn of the light"
put down the coolaid mate and come out side and see my perpetual motion machine....
http://frack-off.org.uk/fracking-report-ex-president-is-cuadrilla-ceo/
One for those in favour of fracking...
One for those in favour of fracking...
Fracking is just a quick stop gap and not the answer it is made out to be. My personal view is we will still need gas with some form of Carbon Capture (not fracking), Nuclear ( and all its problems) and renewables wind and tidal. These all have problems and need time to be developed time which the energy industry does not have. this is why fracking is so attractive to the govenment.
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